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 Post subject: Re: The Unaffordable Welfare State
PostPosted: Tue Jun 05, 2018 5:01 pm 
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A nurse and a Guard would have their childrens allowance cut at that point, no?


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 Post subject: Re: The Unaffordable Welfare State
PostPosted: Wed Jun 06, 2018 9:38 pm 
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Think Regina thinks she's in the socialist party,I imagine she got a right arse kicking from her FG colleagues,what a donkey she is.

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 Post subject: Re: The Unaffordable Welfare State
PostPosted: Thu Jun 07, 2018 11:18 am 
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https://www.independent.ie/irish-news/p ... 85519.html

Arse well and truly kicked, publically.


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 Post subject: Re: The Unaffordable Welfare State
PostPosted: Fri Jun 08, 2018 11:24 am 
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Leo is proud anyway
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 Post subject: Re: The Unaffordable Welfare State
PostPosted: Fri Jun 08, 2018 1:33 pm 
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temene wrote:
Leo is proud anyway
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shame about his grammar :twisted:


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 Post subject: Re: The Unaffordable Welfare State
PostPosted: Wed Jul 04, 2018 5:06 pm 
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I actually believe her claim that she thought it wasn't a legal marriage under Irish law, there is zero chance that someone like that would do anything that could result in a welfare cut


so did the judge

Las Vegas wedding woman acquitted of social welfare fraud

https://www.irishtimes.com/news/crime-a ... -1.3553923

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 Post subject: Re: The Unaffordable Welfare State
PostPosted: Wed Jul 04, 2018 11:03 pm 
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Las Vegas wedding woman acquitted of social welfare fraud

https://www.irishtimes.com/news/crime-a ... -1.3553923[/quote]

Hereafter, no one can be sure they're really married or, looking on the bright side, you could walk out of your "marriage" with a judicial blessing. Just get very pissed and stay that way throughout the ceremony 8DD


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 Post subject: Re: The Unaffordable Welfare State
PostPosted: Wed Jul 04, 2018 11:07 pm 
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Another fine day for the untouchables on the court benches. What leaders they are :sick:


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 Post subject: Re: The Unaffordable Welfare State
PostPosted: Thu Jul 05, 2018 11:22 am 
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Lefournier3 wrote:
Las Vegas wedding woman acquitted of social welfare fraud

https://www.irishtimes.com/news/crime-a ... -1.3553923

Hereafter, no one can be sure they're really married or, looking on the bright side, you could walk out of your "marriage" with a judicial blessing. Just get very pissed and stay that way throughout the ceremony 8DD


Now the funny thing is she would have had to go visit in person the Clark County Government Office to physically pick up and sign the Marriage License at least 24 hours before the marriage ceremony.

http://www.clarkcountynv.gov/clerk/Services/Pages/MarriageLicenses.aspx

I know they do things differently in Nevada but if either party turned up drunk at the County Clerks Office in California to sign a Marriage License the license would not be issued. Even given LV reputation and Clark County governments somewhat interesting and colorful history I am sure that if either party was incapacitated due to drink the license would not be issued. For a start NV is a Common Law state, most of its statute law derived from CA, so any signature on the license by an incapacitated party would be null and void. And the Country Clerk as the notary pubic witness to the license would be committing a felony offense if they allowed the document to be signed by an incapacitated party.

So I'm calling bullshit on the " sure I was drunk, your honour, and I did not know what I was doing I thought it was a bit of a laff" defense. You first have to sign a lot of official documents and show a lot of official documents to a government official in a big government building to get married in Los Vegas.

The Elvis Impersonator officiated ceremony is the following day.

So straight up welfare fraud.


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 Post subject: Re: The Unaffordable Welfare State
PostPosted: Thu Jul 05, 2018 1:36 pm 
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Now now jmc, the esteemed Judge summarised as follows: Dismissing the case, the judge said he had studied her demeanour when she testified and he added that her evidence was effectively uncontroverted.
He also allowed the defence of "honest though unreasonable belief".

Who are we mere mortals to question a Judge and a good citizen who has lived off welfare all her adult life.


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 Post subject: Re: The Unaffordable Welfare State
PostPosted: Thu Jul 05, 2018 3:14 pm 
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Imagine the message that sends out to the social welfare inspector. Suspects a client of cohabitation. Looks into it, comes back with a marriage cert. Puts in a big effort to get it to court and is now getting laughed at by the client.


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 Post subject: Re: The Unaffordable Welfare State
PostPosted: Tue Aug 14, 2018 8:36 am 
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Dept of Finance admits: Ireland is a welfare state
Almost every person in Ireland benefits, directly or indirectly, from some form of social welfare payment
We rely too much on “monetary social transfers” to address social inequalities.


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 Post subject: Re: The Unaffordable Welfare State
PostPosted: Tue Aug 14, 2018 11:45 am 
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temene wrote:
Dept of Finance admits: Ireland is a welfare state
Almost every person in Ireland benefits, directly or indirectly, from some form of social welfare payment
We rely too much on “monetary social transfers” to address social inequalities.


I think that's an overstatement even based on the statistics quoted in the report - about half the population receive regular social payments. We have a population of 4.8 M. while
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There are 1.3m people in receipt of a weekly social welfare payment in respect of two million beneficiaries. A further 625,300 families receive a monthly child benefit payment in respect of 1.2m children.
Even if you count all the children whose parents receive childrens allowance, you get 2.5 M. , just over half the population.

I think a more notable point is:
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Of the weekly welfare recipients, 616,200 are in receipt of a pensions payment and 205,560 receive jobseeker’s payments. Some 194,010 received a disability allowance or an invalidity pension and 79,910 were in receipt of carer’s allowance or benefit.


The image of social welfare as "dole" is totally outdated. About half the weekly payments are to pensioners. Then there are 270K. "invalids" plus "carers", far more than job seekers at present. Hence, our welfare bill keeps rising despite the dramatic fall in unemployment and demographics guarantee that pension payments will drive up social expenditure for decades to come.

The most pressing problem is not that almost everyone benefits, it is that almost 20% of households have no-one working regularly - way above the EU average.


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 Post subject: Re: The Unaffordable Welfare State
PostPosted: Wed Aug 15, 2018 10:37 am 
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Budget 2019: Government urged to consider increase in PRSI
Department of Employment Affairs and Social Protection says rise in PRSI could be used to pay for Ireland’s welfare regime

https://www.irishtimes.com/business/eco ... -1.3596300

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At the same time, as is noted by the department in a separate report, Ireland may be “overly dependent” on welfare benefits. That is putting pressure on the Exchequer. The solution could be to raise the amount of social insurance workers pay.


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 Post subject: Re: The Unaffordable Welfare State
PostPosted: Wed Aug 15, 2018 3:02 pm 
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Lefournier3 wrote:
I think that's an overstatement even based on the statistics quoted in the report - about half the population receive regular social payments. We have a population of 4.8 M. while
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There are 1.3m people in receipt of a weekly social welfare payment in respect of two million beneficiaries. A further 625,300 families receive a monthly child benefit payment in respect of 1.2m children.
Even if you count all the children whose parents receive childrens allowance, you get 2.5 M. , just over half the population.


The Irish Times clarified its reporting today (without acknowledgement):

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The report shows that as of end-May 2018 some 2 million people were beneficiaries of a welfare payment in the State, while a further 625,300 families, accounting for 1.2 million children, also receive monthly child benefit. This means that out of a population of 4.8 million most people will receive a payment of some sort, be that the State pension, child benefit or jobseeker’s payments.


But if you add all the children benefitting from childrens allowance to the 2 million who are said to be beneficiaries of welfare payments, you get 3.2 million beneficiaries, two-thirds of the whole population!
https://www.irishtimes.com/business/eco ... -1.3596300


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