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 Post subject: Re: Britain leaving the European Union.
PostPosted: Wed Oct 03, 2018 3:29 pm 
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Arlene wants to amend the GFA! :roll:

So we have the DUP wanting to change a peace process voted for by binding referendums on both sides of the border to facilitate a non binding referendum?

Only for there's already a UUP her party could be called the Undemocratic Unionist Party!

She can't, any changes would need to be ratified by all sides!



Sounds like DUP would quite happily put up a fence if they could.


Arlene has been against the GFA since 1998. Just because she became First Minister under the agreement doesnt mean she's in favour of the agreement. A bit like De Valera.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/nort ... 330877.stm

But what's important is who if any on the British Tory side contradicts her and how strenuously. Last time this came up in February David Davis slapped it down.

https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-northern-ireland-43126409


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 Post subject: Re: Britain leaving the European Union.
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 Post subject: Re: Britain leaving the European Union.
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Interesting clip. Mike Nesbitt, a unionist, seems sane and capable of understanding the complexity of individual and community identities - not what we're used to due to DUP hardliners.


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 Post subject: Re: Britain leaving the European Union.
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Nesbitt is UUP not DUP. hence the relative normality displayed in that piece


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 Post subject: Re: Britain leaving the European Union.
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FreeFallin wrote:
Nesbitt is UUP not DUP. hence the relative normality displayed in that piece


Oh, I know that - DUP hardliners have given unionists a bad name on both sides of the water.

They mention that SF is on board with letting people who identify as British have British passports (they would no longer be UK passports, I suppose) in a united Ireland. Interesting idea. We should think more about the kinds of concessions the majority will need to make if unification ever happens. It wouldn't be a case of 'them' signing up to our Republic - it would be a merger, albeit the unionist/protestant/orange communities will be a minority.

How can we convince them that we won't be dicks?

Mike Nesbitt for President, anyone?!


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 Post subject: Re: Britain leaving the European Union.
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Nesbitt is UUP not DUP. hence the relative normality displayed in that piece


Oh, I know that - DUP hardliners have given unionists a bad name on both sides of the water.

They mention that SF is on board with letting people who identify as British have British passports (they would no longer be UK passports, I suppose) in a united Ireland. Interesting idea. We should think more about the kinds of concessions the majority will need to make if unification ever happens. It wouldn't be a case of 'them' signing up to our Republic - it would be a merger, albeit the unionist/protestant/orange communities will be a minority.

How can we convince them that we won't be dicks?

Mike Nesbitt for President, anyone?!

How do Irish people in NI get their passports? They apply to another jurisdiction for them, people in NI who wish to remain solely British citizens after partition ends can apply to London for their passports. There's over a 100.000 Brits resident in the republic and they get by.

There's no concessions to be made.

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 Post subject: Re: Britain leaving the European Union.
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GFA makes clear that anyone born in N.I. can be British or Irish or both. The new bit would be that this would extend to 32 countries. The concession is really from the UK in that someone born in Kildare could technically apply for UK citizenship if they felt like it. But people in Ireland would have to be fine with the UK acknowledging/accepting/claiming someone from Leitrim as their citizen.

But that's just an example. What else? St Patrick's Day is a national day. What about 12th July? How can that be accommodated? It's particularly contentious and objectionable to many, but we'd need to somehow respect a celebration of that culture/tradition etc.

No doubt people sneer at phrases like cross-community dialogue, but could we have a kind of citizens' assembly to better understand all perspectives and start to prepare? What practical tips can be taken from Germany? Any lessons from Hong Kong's return to China?

And then there's the massive economic issue (echoes of Germany there) for which nobody is well prepared. I spoke to a northern 'nationalist' recently who would only bother with reunification if they still had free school books for their kids. A bit small, I thought, but bread and butter things like that can go under the radar in constitutional debates.

Even Peter Robinson has been saying everyone needs to think about how it would happen, given the shambles of trying to force Brexit through in 2-3 years. (He probably reckons we'd realise it's not as desirable as some have led us to believe - but either way he's right to suggest we get into the detail of it asap.)


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 Post subject: Re: Britain leaving the European Union.
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Ixelles wrote:
GFA makes clear that anyone born in N.I. can be British or Irish or both. The new bit would be that this would extend to 32 countries.


Do you know something about EU expansion that we don't? :nin :wink:

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 Post subject: Re: Britain leaving the European Union.
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:lol:

We'll be down to 27 after Brexit and then there are five official candidate countries, so 32 sounds about right!
I can't see Turkey ever being admitted, to be honest


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