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 Post subject: Budget 2019
PostPosted: Tue Jun 05, 2018 1:48 pm 
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And we're off! The first of the Budget 2019 submissions are hitting media desks across the country.

Here's Social Ireland's kick attempt at your pocket

Increase in level of taxation is ‘unavoidable’ says Social Justice Ireland
Think tank says more revenue needed to maintain current public services
https://www.irishtimes.com/news/social- ... -1.3520022
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It has recommended making all discretionary tax reliefs/expenditures only available at the standard 20 per cent rate in Budget 2019 and introducing a “minimum effective corporation tax rate”.
It has also called for restoring the 13.5 per cent VAT rate for the accommodation sector as well as introducing a tax on empty houses and a site value tax on underdeveloped land. Social Justice Ireland is launching its budget submission on Tuesday morning.
The think tank said the Government should equalise the excise duty on petrol diesel, which they say will yield €68 million in 2019, and increase tax on in-shop and online betting by 3 per cent.
The organisation has called for an extra €1,250 million towards resources needed for an additional 90,000 social housing units. Their briefing also sets out €1,112million investment is needed for healthcare and disability services.
It has recommended an increase of €6.50 a week on social welfare payments and an increase in direct provision payments.

Increase the dole at a time of near full employment!
More money for health of course.
800,000 people live in poverty...that's 1 in 5 or so!

I give this submission a D-


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 Post subject: Re: Budget 2019
PostPosted: Tue Jun 05, 2018 7:19 pm 
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The 800,000 (16.5%) comes from the 2016 Survey on Income and Living Conditions

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Interesting that we are far from the worst in Europe on this measure, only 0.1% behind Germany and 0.4% behind Sweden. Is 1 in 6 at risk of poverty real or a matter of definition and how can the 'ordinary joe' tell?

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 Post subject: Re: Budget 2019
PostPosted: Wed Jun 06, 2018 6:26 am 
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Gilroy wrote:
Is 1 in 6 at risk of poverty real or a matter of definition and how can the 'ordinary joe' tell?

Not sure what you mean by "real".

There are various well-defined measures.

http://www.combatpoverty.ie/povertyinir ... overty.htm

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 Post subject: Re: Budget 2019
PostPosted: Wed Jun 06, 2018 10:32 am 
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Eschatologist wrote:
Gilroy wrote:
Is 1 in 6 at risk of poverty real or a matter of definition and how can the 'ordinary joe' tell?

Not sure what you mean by "real".

There are various well-defined measures.

http://www.combatpoverty.ie/povertyinir ... overty.htm



it may be 'defined' but the deprivation index is a joke

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It has recommended making all discretionary tax reliefs/expenditures only available at the standard 20 per cent rate in Budget 2019 and introducing a “minimum effective corporation tax rate”.
It has also called for restoring the 13.5 per cent VAT rate for the accommodation sector as well as introducing a tax on empty houses and a site value tax on underdeveloped land. Social Justice Ireland is launching its budget submission on Tuesday morning.
The think tank said the Government should equalise the excise duty on petrol diesel, which they say will yield €68 million in 2019, and increase tax on in-shop and online betting by 3 per cent.
The organisation has called for an extra €1,250 million towards resources needed for an additional 90,000 social housing units. Their briefing also sets out €1,112million investment is needed for healthcare and disability services.
It has recommended an increase of €6.50 a week on social welfare payments and an increase in direct provision payments.


Id agree with most of the items, except an increase in SW payments
For direct provision,giving the opportunity to work is better than handouts

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 Post subject: Re: Budget 2019
PostPosted: Sat Jun 16, 2018 1:09 pm 
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Only 21 Dáil sitting days between now and Budget Day on 9 October


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 Post subject: Re: Budget 2019
PostPosted: Tue Jun 19, 2018 9:27 am 
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ESRI sees little scope for cutting taxes in the Budget

https://www.rte.ie/news/2018/0619/97150 ... ax_burden/


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 Post subject: Re: Budget 2019
PostPosted: Wed Jun 27, 2018 10:51 pm 
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Saw this summit on the 9pm news...it was a full house and reminded me of the worst days of the Celtic tiger when every un-elected quango and it's dog had a say in policy and a subsequent piece of the pie

https://www.rte.ie/news/ireland/2018/06 ... -dialogue/
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Speaking at the National Economic Dialogue event at Dublin Castle, Leo Varadkar said the Government's economic policy was based on six principles...
....Representatives of community, voluntary and environmental groups, as well as business groups, unions, and research institutes, are attending.


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 Post subject: Re: Budget 2019
PostPosted: Thu Jun 28, 2018 1:09 pm 
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FreeFallin wrote:
Saw this summit on the 9pm news...it was a full house and reminded me of the worst days of the Celtic tiger when every un-elected quango and it's dog had a say in policy and a subsequent piece of the pie

https://www.rte.ie/news/ireland/2018/06 ... -dialogue/
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Speaking at the National Economic Dialogue event at Dublin Castle, Leo Varadkar said the Government's economic policy was based on six principles...
....Representatives of community, voluntary and environmental groups, as well as business groups, unions, and research institutes, are attending.


Ministers always say they are listening but in my experience, the mandarins get to paraphrase and filter the data and findings in briefing notes and minutes which are referred to when decisions are made and signatures placed. Therein lies real power.


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 Post subject: Re: Budget 2019
PostPosted: Wed Aug 01, 2018 12:53 pm 
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Kites flying high

€1K 'Granny Grant' proposed for grandparents who help with childcare
Social welfare payment may not increase in Budget 2019
Donohoe pledges to reduce tax burden on ‘gradual’ basis
Government highly likely to widen 20% tax band in 2019 budget
Government proposals could mean more money in your pocket after this year’s budget


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 Post subject: Re: Budget 2019
PostPosted: Wed Aug 01, 2018 2:21 pm 
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Apparently CSO have no idea how many grandparents there are in the state because it's not asked on the census form. Also, could be 4 claimants per child. Loadza money.


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 Post subject: Re: Budget 2019
PostPosted: Sat Aug 04, 2018 12:51 am 
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Ross is a cretin. Granny grants my eye. :(

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 Post subject: Re: Budget 2019
PostPosted: Mon Aug 06, 2018 9:57 am 
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Gherkin wrote:
Apparently CSO have no idea how many grandparents there are in the state because it's not asked on the census form. Also, could be 4 claimants per child. Loadza money.


Could they even restrict it to grandparents in the state? I'll be filling in the forms for the non-resident in-laws if this happens BD


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 Post subject: Re: Budget 2019
PostPosted: Mon Aug 06, 2018 4:57 pm 
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Householders face a rise in their fuel bills in the upcoming Budget after Taoiseach Leo Varadkar signalled plans to increase carbon tax


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 Post subject: Re: Budget 2019
PostPosted: Mon Aug 06, 2018 8:37 pm 
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2Pack wrote:
Ross is a cretin. Granny grants my eye. :(


I think the Granny Grant is a great idea. And I sadly have no available granny for childcare. I can appreciate how fiscally conservatives oppose the move but keep an eye on the Leftists. On Radio 1 they were immediately out against it citing how 'we need to be more like Sweden. We need more state childcare'

Sweden is a low birth rate, high migrant, cluster fuck of a society. It is not something we should be aiming to copy. But Leftists would prefer strangers to look after children rather than extended family members. Anything that promotes traditional family roles annoys them. It is entirely appropriate that our society should support the childcare options that actually are used. Particularly when having grandparents where possible involved in their grandchildren's lives is good for the children, good for the grandparents and good for society. It is entirely appropriate to incentivise this.


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 Post subject: Re: Budget 2019
PostPosted: Mon Aug 06, 2018 9:06 pm 
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GameBlame wrote:
2Pack wrote:
Ross is a cretin. Granny grants my eye. :(



Sweden is a low birth rate, high migrant, cluster fuck of a society. It is not something we should be aiming to copy.


ftfy.

The fewer people, the better. :D

We should not pay people to breed. Instead, we should tax those who do breed.

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