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 Post subject: Re: Strike Season
PostPosted: Wed Feb 06, 2019 5:23 pm 
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Unproven you say (it's the Journal.ie too!). So my point still stands

Eh, what? Your point stands....unproven.

Did you read the article?

You haven't proven or disproven my point so it still stands!

Anyways, as it's so hard to work out nurses pay or indeed the pay of most of the CS/PS, we will never truly know. A long time poster on AAM has put the nurses average pay at 57.6k incl basic,allowances and overtime. Plus another 17k odd for the annual value of the pension.
And don't forget, a lot of nurses work a 3 day week on long shifts. What price that flexibility?


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 Post subject: Re: Strike Season
PostPosted: Wed Feb 06, 2019 5:42 pm 
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All amongst the highest paid in the world in their professions and yet still want more from the public purse


Factcheck: Are Irish nurses among the highest paid in the world?
https://www.thejournal.ie/factcheck-nur ... 4-Jan2019/
We rate this claim: UNPROVEN



That article clearly shows nurses in Ireland are some of the highest paid in the world.


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 Post subject: Re: Strike Season
PostPosted: Wed Feb 06, 2019 11:26 pm 
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mr_anderson wrote:
Eschatologist wrote:
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All amongst the highest paid in the world in their professions and yet still want more from the public purse


Factcheck: Are Irish nurses among the highest paid in the world?
https://www.thejournal.ie/factcheck-nur ... 4-Jan2019/
We rate this claim: UNPROVEN



That article clearly shows nurses in Ireland are some of the highest paid in the world.

The main competition is Australia and on a pure comparison with Australia the Gross pay is the same. I understand the working conditions in Australia are far superior and that the tax therefore Net pay is much more than in Australia. As per Chart 8.16 in that article, Nurses pay relative to the average wage in Australia is about 20% above average wage but in Ireland it's just at parity.

ie Work in Australia you have more money in your pocket, better quality of life and better working conditions.

or

Nurses are paid wose in Ireland and have a poorer quality of life vs what they could have in Australia.

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 Post subject: Re: Strike Season
PostPosted: Thu Feb 07, 2019 10:05 am 
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Terra Incognita wrote:
ie Work in Australia you have more money in your pocket, better quality of life and better working conditions.

or

Nurses are paid wose in Ireland and have a poorer quality of life vs what they could have in Australia.

Okay, but you could say that about many professions. Tax rates are high (and there's no benefit that isn't taxed), cost of living is high, and Irish private sector workers work long hours (unpaid overtime, almost no-one in the private sector gets overtime). Pensions are shit too.

Now, I've great respect for nurses, having been on the sharp end of needing them, but there are wide variations in quality and attitude from the "it's childbirth, it's supposed to hurt" to making sure I was recovering (with not a consultant in sight).

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 Post subject: Re: Strike Season
PostPosted: Thu Feb 07, 2019 11:37 am 
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Terra Incognita wrote:
Nurses pay relative to the average wage in Australia is about 20% above average wage but in Ireland it's just at parity.

Nurses should earn more than average, they've clearly a retention problem where the market is saying they need to be paid more and/or need more attractive work conditions.

But the unions and representative bodies won't allow Irish nurses to earn more than average. Any increase for nurses knocks on for increases in unrelated public service employments.

For younger readers how this has generally worked is as follows, first use the nurses as they'll get sympathetic public treatment and probably a decent pay rise, then gardai will ask for the same and a bit more, then teachers, then lecturers, then everyone else in the PS, then knock on rises in the private sector where recruitment is affected by the public pay rises. And the nurses are back to square one, and the economy is fucked again.

A quick google of pay rates in Australia reveals that average nurse salaries are greater than police salaries. That's not allowed to occur by the unions in Ireland.

It makes sense that areas with recruitment and retention issues pay more than ones where there's little issues hiring and holding on to staff. The likes of the GRA don't want to hear this.

Were this dispute to find some way of permanently breaking the pay relativity scam then I'd be doing the I'm pretending to stand with nurses routine myself.


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 Post subject: Re: Strike Season
PostPosted: Thu Feb 07, 2019 4:51 pm 
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Just offer a 'growth in GNI'-linked, non-pensionable bonus.


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 Post subject: Re: Strike Season
PostPosted: Mon Feb 11, 2019 5:57 pm 
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All going to the labour court now

https://www.rte.ie/news/health/2019/021 ... urt-talks/

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 Post subject: Re: Strike Season
PostPosted: Mon Feb 11, 2019 9:01 pm 
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They've blinked!

Approx 7% payrise or €2k per nurse. FG, the party of fiscal rectitude!


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 Post subject: Re: Strike Season
PostPosted: Tue Feb 12, 2019 9:11 am 
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FreeFallin wrote:
They've blinked!

Approx 7% payrise or €2k per nurse. FG, the party of fiscal rectitude!


All other unions lining up now. Equality across all public servants. Why would nurses get more money and not teachers, etc


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 Post subject: Re: Strike Season
PostPosted: Tue Feb 12, 2019 10:04 am 
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Here we go again, I'm not that worried this time though, the next time the IMF are in they'll make the decisions that should have been made the last time but wont be avoidable the next time due to our debt pile.

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