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 Post subject: iTax - Broadcasting charge 'whether you have a TV or not'
PostPosted: Wed Jan 18, 2012 6:19 pm 
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Minister considering broadcasting charge 'whether you have a TV or not'

The Communications Minister has revealed that he is considering introducing a new broadcasting charge, which would apply to every household - whether they have a television or not.

Pat Rabbitte's told the Dáil that RTÉ is losing €25m a year in licence fee payments because of evasion.

The proposed new charge would apply to people who view television on their computers and smartphones, and would be collected along with the new household charge.

The Minister said that his Department had concluded that the charge is a "viable model".


Why not

    Minister considering property tax even if you do not own a property or are homeless

    Minister considering water charges even though you are dead

    Minister considering broadcasting charge even if you are deaf and blind

instead of

Minister considering telling RTE to sort out their own finances and create a viable economic model without relying on the crutch of external financial support that introduces a moral hazard into RTE's money management


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 Post subject: Re: Broadcasting charge 'whether you have a TV or not'
PostPosted: Wed Jan 18, 2012 6:22 pm 
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Being a law abiding citizen, I'll pay the charge if necessary, but it still won't persuade me to clutter my home with a TV.

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 Post subject: Re: Broadcasting charge 'whether you have a TV or not'
PostPosted: Wed Jan 18, 2012 6:39 pm 
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jxbr wrote:
http://news.eircom.net/breakingnews/20296160/?view=Standard

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Minister considering broadcasting charge 'whether you have a TV or not'

The Communications Minister has revealed that he is considering introducing a new broadcasting charge, which would apply to every household - whether they have a television or not.

Pat Rabbitte's told the Dáil that RTÉ is losing €25m a year in licence fee payments because of evasion.

The proposed new charge would apply to people who view television on their computers and smartphones, and would be collected along with the new household charge.

The Minister said that his Department had concluded that the charge is a "viable model".


Why not

    Minister considering property tax even if you do not own a property or are homeless

    Minister considering water charges even though you are dead

    Minister considering broadcasting charge even if you are deaf and blind

instead of

Minister considering telling RTE to sort out their own finances and create a viable economic model without relying on the crutch of external financial support that introduces a moral hazard into RTE's money management


Because if the bill is passed, RTE will do their utmost to make the government look competant and (re-)electable.


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 Post subject: Re: Broadcasting charge 'whether you have a TV or not'
PostPosted: Wed Jan 18, 2012 7:32 pm 
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mr_anderson wrote:
jxbr wrote:
http://news.eircom.net/breakingnews/20296160/?view=Standard

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Minister considering broadcasting charge 'whether you have a TV or not'

The Communications Minister has revealed that he is considering introducing a new broadcasting charge, which would apply to every household - whether they have a television or not.

Pat Rabbitte's told the Dáil that RTÉ is losing €25m a year in licence fee payments because of evasion.

The proposed new charge would apply to people who view television on their computers and smartphones, and would be collected along with the new household charge.

The Minister said that his Department had concluded that the charge is a "viable model".


Why not

    Minister considering property tax even if you do not own a property or are homeless

    Minister considering water charges even though you are dead

    Minister considering broadcasting charge even if you are deaf and blind

instead of

Minister considering telling RTE to sort out their own finances and create a viable economic model without relying on the crutch of external financial support that introduces a moral hazard into RTE's money management


Because if the bill is passed, RTE will do their utmost to make the government look competant and (re-)electable.


In all fairness, this business of only those owning a Physical TV set paying is ridiculous in the age we live in, technology has moved on.

RTE do certain things well, and I would hate to see them gone altogether. However, they have a ring-fenced income from TV licences. Let them be funded out of the Department of Arts and scrap it out with all the other worthy causes every budget and see what they get. Suddenly they will discover they can get value for money and nobody else is willing to pay Pat Kenny, Joe Duffy and Ryan Tubridy the kind of money they are on.

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 Post subject: Re: Broadcasting charge 'whether you have a TV or not'
PostPosted: Wed Jan 18, 2012 8:53 pm 
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If RTE want to charge for putting services on the web, let them lock down their domain.
If you want to watch RTE on the web, the person should be able to register their TV licence and simply enter the details when logging on.

I object to this tax for several reasons:

1. The services RTE TV and radio provides are available on commercial channels.
2. With the current TV property ownership tax if you don't want RTEs service get rid of the TV. I did and don't pay any licence and I'm better off.
3. Putting this on a household charge means the money doled out to RTE goes into a slush fund meaning there is no accountability for how it is allocated or spent. It is entirely a political decision.
4. It will increase the cost to householders in rapid order and is probably being used as filler to to justify the rapid increase in this within a few years to between €1000 & €2000+ depending on where you live in the country. In other words it will be another progressive income tax.
5. I object to RTE using the TV tax to subsidise wages above market rates of their commercial competitors in this country.
6. If RTE want to charge for putting their services on the internet, then they can lock their content behind a paywall and have users register their TV licence and service provider. They then enter the licence number when they want to access content on the RTE internet domains. They can do this today and no one can object since RTE.IE is their domain and they can restrict access as they see fit.


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 Post subject: Re: Broadcasting charge 'whether you have a TV or not'
PostPosted: Wed Jan 18, 2012 8:58 pm 
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BoyRacer wrote:
If RTE want to charge for putting services on the web, let them lock down their domain.
If you want to watch RTE on the web, the person should be able to register their TV licence and simply enter the details when logging on.

I object to this tax for several reasons:

1. The services RTE TV and radio provides are available on commercial channels.
2. With the current TV property ownership tax if you don't want RTEs service get rid of the TV. I did and don't pay any licence and I'm better off.
3. Putting this on a household charge means the money doled out to RTE goes into a slush fund meaning there is no accountability for how it is allocated or spent. It is entirely a political decision.
4. It will increase the cost to householders in rapid order and is probably being used as filler to to justify the rapid increase in this within a few years to between €1000 & €2000+ depending on where you live in the country. In other words it will be another progressive income tax.
5. I object to RTE using the TV tax to subsidise wages above market rates of their commercial competitors in this country.
6. If RTE want to charge for putting their services on the internet, then they can lock their content behind a paywall and
have users register their TV licence and service provider. They then enter the licence number when they want to access content on the RTE internet domains. They can do this today and no one can object since RTE.IE is their domain and they can restrict access as they see fit.


I like these ideas especially 6

I'd get rid of the TV tomorrow as well if the wife would let me :D

No TV licence, no cable bill for a million channels showing piles of crap I never watch etc etc

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 Post subject: Re: Broadcasting charge 'whether you have a TV or not'
PostPosted: Wed Jan 18, 2012 10:16 pm 
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I'm sure the well paid folks in Montrose have done the numbers... x% watching online etc.
Just put RTE.ie behind a paywall and take subscriptions for all those willing to watch the shite.

One thing we just can't have..... people watching RTE for free!!!

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 Post subject: Re: Broadcasting charge 'whether you have a TV or not'
PostPosted: Thu Jan 19, 2012 12:19 am 
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This certainly is a ridiculous proposition. I have no TV and rarely log on to RTE.ie either. Could comfortably do without it. Cannot even remember the last time I watched an RTE produced show because I seemed to lose all but a passing interest in following "de economy" about six months ago. What is "watching TV on your laptop"? Does it include YouTube et al. or just the content TV stations make freely accessible on their website?

If this is tacked onto the Household Charge will it be my landlord's problem also?

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 Post subject: Re: Broadcasting charge 'whether you have a TV or not'
PostPosted: Thu Jan 19, 2012 12:36 am 
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I've no issue with property taxes etc. but with this one we are entering the realms of having to buy a dog licence without actually owning a dog because you might see someone else walking theirs.


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 Post subject: Re: Broadcasting charge 'whether you have a TV or not'
PostPosted: Thu Jan 19, 2012 1:35 am 
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I got rid of my TV as well and I don't miss it at all. I object to the salaries paid to the likes of Duffy,Tubridy,Kenny etc. and not having to pay a TV licence made me feel a bit better about that.
I don't see what the difficulty is in charging people who want to watch RTE and not charging those that don't.RTE is run for the benefit of its employees and their cronies and I really really have a problem with this.


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