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 Post subject: Re: iTax - Broadcasting charge 'whether you have a TV or not
PostPosted: Mon Sep 25, 2017 12:11 pm 
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RTE fees would impact viewers, Virgin claims - -> http://www.independent.ie/business/medi ... 60452.html


don't expect it to happen but it would be interesting if Virgin put the Irish channels into an add-on package that you had to pay (say) €5 extra a month to get. Would be the first time we were able to get a picture of the true demand for the local channels, as they're bundled for "free" on every TV platform currently.


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 Post subject: Re: iTax - Broadcasting charge 'whether you have a TV or not
PostPosted: Mon Sep 25, 2017 4:18 pm 
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shweeney wrote:
BoyRacer wrote:
RTE fees would impact viewers, Virgin claims - -> http://www.independent.ie/business/medi ... 60452.html


don't expect it to happen but it would be interesting if Virgin put the Irish channels into an add-on package that you had to pay (say) €5 extra a month to get. Would be the first time we were able to get a picture of the true demand for the local channels, as they're bundled for "free" on every TV platform currently.


I'd say in Dublin, not a lot of interest. would think more viewers in the regions, gaa, etc


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 Post subject: Re: iTax - Broadcasting charge 'whether you have a TV or not
PostPosted: Tue Nov 28, 2017 5:01 pm 
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An Oireachtas report recommends a broadcasting charge which would apply to every household “consuming media, regardless of the technology used”.
The charge should be collected by Revenue.
http://www.thejournal.ie/tv-licence-fee ... 4-Nov2017/


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 Post subject: Re: iTax - Broadcasting charge 'whether you have a TV or not
PostPosted: Tue Nov 28, 2017 5:03 pm 
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temene wrote:
An Oireachtas report recommends a broadcasting charge which would apply to every household “consuming media, regardless of the technology used”.
The charge should be collected by Revenue.
http://www.thejournal.ie/tv-licence-fee ... 4-Nov2017/



At what point does a charge become a tax ?


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 Post subject: Re: iTax - Broadcasting charge 'whether you have a TV or not
PostPosted: Tue Nov 28, 2017 5:05 pm 
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AnPost collects the charge and there is a high evasion of the tv licence.
If Revenue collected, it would move close to zero evasion


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 Post subject: Re: iTax - Broadcasting charge 'whether you have a TV or not
PostPosted: Tue Nov 28, 2017 6:51 pm 
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temene wrote:
AnPost collects the charge and there is a high evasion of the tv licence.
If Revenue collected, it would move close to zero evasion

It's easy to evade a tax that's collected by you going voluntarily to an office to pay it, but impossible to evade a tax that's taken from your income first.

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 Post subject: Re: iTax - Broadcasting charge 'whether you have a TV or not
PostPosted: Tue Nov 28, 2017 9:03 pm 
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It does not matter how much extra tax revenue RTE pull in they will use the extra revenue as the new base to run a deficit which will require yet more revenue.
How does this 33% market share break down? That's a rather large chunk not being served by RTE.

https://www.tamireland.ie/downloads/oct ... e-figures/


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 Post subject: Re: iTax - Broadcasting charge 'whether you have a TV or not
PostPosted: Wed Nov 29, 2017 8:22 am 
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dolanbaker wrote:
temene wrote:
AnPost collects the charge and there is a high evasion of the tv licence.
If Revenue collected, it would move close to zero evasion

It's easy to evade a tax that's collected by you going voluntarily to an office to pay it, but impossible to evade a tax that's taken from your income first.


It would just be added onto the LPT.

I would support this if and only if it just became like normal tax revenue, and its expenditure was subject to Dáil approval like all other public monies. Motor tax is for example not hypothecated for expenditure on roads.


The TV license set-up is quite undemocratic. You are obliged to pay it (it is a tax) yet your elected representative can't vote on its expenditure every year.


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 Post subject: Re: iTax - Broadcasting charge 'whether you have a TV or not
PostPosted: Wed Nov 29, 2017 9:12 am 
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The TV license system has been the longest running joke in taxation costing a fortune to enforce and criminalising people who couldn't afford it. The government promote the 'Making Work Pay' taxation system, but what it really is is making the wealthy richer and crushing the poor by moving away from a progressive taxation system.

Just pay for the State broadcaster from general taxation. Fairer, simpler, cheaper. It would be hard for the wealthy to argue against paying more for the State propaganda service when they get the most benefit from it.


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 Post subject: Re: iTax - Broadcasting charge 'whether you have a TV or not
PostPosted: Wed Nov 29, 2017 10:50 am 
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Coles2 wrote:
The TV license system has been the longest running joke in taxation costing a fortune to enforce and criminalising people who couldn't afford it. The government promote the 'Making Work Pay' taxation system, but what it really is is making the wealthy richer and crushing the poor by moving away from a progressive taxation system.

Just pay for the State broadcaster from general taxation. Fairer, simpler, cheaper. It would be hard for the wealthy to argue against paying more for the State propaganda service when they get the most benefit from it.



Or don't pay them at all.
The era of a state-sponsored TV station is long gone. Has been for a very long time now.
At this stage, RTE is just another vested interest.

Like Aer Lingus, it just needs to be off-loaded.


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 Post subject: Re: iTax - Broadcasting charge 'whether you have a TV or not
PostPosted: Wed Nov 29, 2017 11:03 am 
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mr_anderson wrote:
Coles2 wrote:
The TV license system has been the longest running joke in taxation costing a fortune to enforce and criminalising people who couldn't afford it. The government promote the 'Making Work Pay' taxation system, but what it really is is making the wealthy richer and crushing the poor by moving away from a progressive taxation system.

Just pay for the State broadcaster from general taxation. Fairer, simpler, cheaper. It would be hard for the wealthy to argue against paying more for the State propaganda service when they get the most benefit from it.



Or don't pay them at all.
The era of a state-sponsored TV station is long gone. Has been for a very long time now.
At this stage, RTE is just another vested interest.

Like Aer Lingus, it just needs to be off-loaded.


For all RTE's faults, I don't see a Denis O'Brien run media covering and uncovering a FG government scandal the way RTE has this one.


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 Post subject: Re: iTax - Broadcasting charge 'whether you have a TV or not
PostPosted: Wed Nov 29, 2017 11:07 am 
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Skippy 3 wrote:


The TV license set-up is quite undemocratic. You are obliged to pay it (it is a tax) yet your elected representative can't vote on its expenditure every year.


At present, you are not obliged to pay it. I don't, but then I neither have a TV, nor watch TV broadcasts online.

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 Post subject: Re: iTax - Broadcasting charge 'whether you have a TV or not
PostPosted: Wed Nov 29, 2017 11:25 am 
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GameBlame wrote:
mr_anderson wrote:
Coles2 wrote:
The TV license system has been the longest running joke in taxation costing a fortune to enforce and criminalising people who couldn't afford it. The government promote the 'Making Work Pay' taxation system, but what it really is is making the wealthy richer and crushing the poor by moving away from a progressive taxation system.

Just pay for the State broadcaster from general taxation. Fairer, simpler, cheaper. It would be hard for the wealthy to argue against paying more for the State propaganda service when they get the most benefit from it.



Or don't pay them at all.
The era of a state-sponsored TV station is long gone. Has been for a very long time now.
At this stage, RTE is just another vested interest.

Like Aer Lingus, it just needs to be off-loaded.


For all RTE's faults, I don't see a Denis O'Brien run media covering and uncovering a FG government scandal the way RTE has this one.
True in a few very notable cases, but mostly everything from Marian Finucane, Joe Duffy, Morning Ireland, News editoral radio and TV has been very imbalanced in favour of FG/FF. The real running on the current shambles (Frances Fitzgerald resignation, Charlie Flanagan on the ropes) has been by the Sunday Business Post and the Irish Examiner. INM has been awful just running along afterwards trying to reframe the debate and mislead people away from the real issues.

There is a need for an independent State funded news service which is capable of investigative journalism. A bit of a paradox expecting it to be independent AND State funded, but an independent media is crucial to a functioning democracy, and the commercial media is not free.


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 Post subject: Re: iTax - Broadcasting charge 'whether you have a TV or not
PostPosted: Wed Nov 29, 2017 11:29 am 
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GameBlame wrote:
mr_anderson wrote:
Coles2 wrote:
The TV license system has been the longest running joke in taxation costing a fortune to enforce and criminalising people who couldn't afford it. The government promote the 'Making Work Pay' taxation system, but what it really is is making the wealthy richer and crushing the poor by moving away from a progressive taxation system.

Just pay for the State broadcaster from general taxation. Fairer, simpler, cheaper. It would be hard for the wealthy to argue against paying more for the State propaganda service when they get the most benefit from it.



Or don't pay them at all.
The era of a state-sponsored TV station is long gone. Has been for a very long time now.
At this stage, RTE is just another vested interest.

Like Aer Lingus, it just needs to be off-loaded.


For all RTE's faults, I don't see a Denis O'Brien run media covering and uncovering a FG government scandal the way RTE has this one.


RTE won't disappear.
It will just become a slimmed down version of it's current self with more appropriate salaries for it's ''stars''.


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 Post subject: Re: iTax - Broadcasting charge 'whether you have a TV or not
PostPosted: Wed Nov 29, 2017 11:31 am 
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RTE employs three thousand people. Think about that for a moment. A report a few years back recommended that they halve their number of employees, but instead they increased it by 25%.


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