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 Post subject: Re: The Irish Water (meters) thread
PostPosted: Sun Apr 09, 2017 9:13 pm 
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Two things
1 FF's cock ups are titanic but Irish Water and the charging regime were designed and implemented by FG. Irish Water is a wholly owned subsidiary of Fine Gael.

2. Water charges were brought in after Enda's announcement that austerity was over ! What a cock up !

Fine Gael? Cock up? I find that hard to believe.

On an unrelated note, I wonder was Michael Noonan's plan to get the price of water 'up a bit', and bring about a national water shortage with spiralling prices a couple of years later.


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 Post subject: Re: The Irish Water (meters) thread
PostPosted: Sun Apr 09, 2017 9:39 pm 
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Barney Gumble wrote:
GameBlame wrote:
Two things
1 FF's cock ups are titanic but Irish Water and the charging regime were designed and implemented by FG. Irish Water is a wholly owned subsidiary of Fine Gael.

2. Water charges were brought in after Enda's announcement that austerity was over ! What a cock up !

Fine Gael? Cock up? I find that hard to believe.

On an unrelated note, I wonder was Michael Noonan's plan to get the price of water 'up a bit', and bring about a national water shortage with spiralling prices a couple of years later.

That's exactly what will happen!
Low investment now, infrastructure not being repaired or developed - let alone being future-proofed - leading to a "water shortage" in Dublin if we get more than 2 weeks dry weather this summer.
Meanwhile water flows to waste, mainly from the mains pipes leaks, but also from Jimmy who just can't be bothered to fix the leaking hose, and Mary the neighbour who will water the garden for an hour each night of the drought.
Bolt on any likely EU fine, and the plan looks like it's working out like gangbusters... except for the taxpayer - they'll see a larger diversion of general taxation to water. But "thankfully" they'll never know.
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 Post subject: Re: The Irish Water (meters) thread
PostPosted: Mon Apr 10, 2017 10:21 am 
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On an unrelated note, I wonder was Michael Noonan's plan to get the price of water 'up a bit', and bring about a national water shortage with spiralling prices a couple of years later.

That's exactly what will happen!
Low investment now, infrastructure not being repaired or developed - let alone being future-proofed - leading to a "water shortage" in Dublin if we get more than 2 weeks dry weather this summer.
Standard way to privatise public services. They've been doing the same thing across every aspect of our society. Fascinating to watch how much the Irish people are prepared to suffer before they wake up to it.


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 Post subject: Re: The Irish Water (meters) thread
PostPosted: Mon Apr 10, 2017 10:38 am 
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Must be hard for the Unions trying to keep all the plates spinning on the IW fiasco
1. protesting on the Saturday
2. defending pay/bonuses on the Monday

http://www.thejournal.ie/irish-water-si ... 4-Apr2017/
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SIPTU says Irish Water workers are not overpaid after reports of €5,000 bonuses for all staff
It’s reported that staff receive perks such as car allowances and fitness instructors as well as health insurance packages for executives and their spouses.


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 Post subject: Re: The Irish Water (meters) thread
PostPosted: Mon Apr 10, 2017 10:52 am 
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Coles2 wrote:
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Barney Gumble wrote:
On an unrelated note, I wonder was Michael Noonan's plan to get the price of water 'up a bit', and bring about a national water shortage with spiralling prices a couple of years later.

That's exactly what will happen!
Low investment now, infrastructure not being repaired or developed - let alone being future-proofed - leading to a "water shortage" in Dublin if we get more than 2 weeks dry weather this summer.
Standard way to privatise public services. They've been doing the same thing across every aspect of our society. Fascinating to watch how much the Irish people are prepared to suffer before they wake up to it.

Does anyone remember the good old days when telecoms were a public service? My parents were on a waiting list for 4 years to get a phone installed. The good old days, eh? :lol:


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 Post subject: Re: The Irish Water (meters) thread
PostPosted: Mon Apr 10, 2017 10:52 am 
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Whatever about item 2 and 4, items 1 and 3 on that list seem utterly unsurprising to me. 5% of workers on over €100k? Doesn't seem insane. Performance related payment? Doesn't pretty much every private company do this too? A portion of remuneration being variable, and dependent on receiving reasonable performance reviews? Are we seriously arguing that the standard public sector pay regime is the best way of getting top performance out of people???


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 Post subject: Re: The Irish Water (meters) thread
PostPosted: Mon Apr 10, 2017 10:55 am 
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Whatever about item 2 and 4, items 1 and 3 on that list seem utterly unsurprising to me. 5% of workers on over €100k? Doesn't seem insane. Performance related payment? Doesn't pretty much every private company do this too? A portion of remuneration being variable, and dependent on receiving reasonable performance reviews? Are we seriously arguing that the standard public sector pay regime is the best way of getting top performance out of people???


Generally if you offer a carrot (bonuses) there also has to be a stick (losing your job, or at least not getting your bonus). Given the union situation in Irish Water they appear to have all carrots and no sticks. Everyone gets their bonus, no-one performed poorly. Right.

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 Post subject: Re: The Irish Water (meters) thread
PostPosted: Mon Apr 10, 2017 11:51 am 
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Mantissa wrote:
muirgheasa wrote:
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Whatever about item 2 and 4, items 1 and 3 on that list seem utterly unsurprising to me. 5% of workers on over €100k? Doesn't seem insane. Performance related payment? Doesn't pretty much every private company do this too? A portion of remuneration being variable, and dependent on receiving reasonable performance reviews? Are we seriously arguing that the standard public sector pay regime is the best way of getting top performance out of people???


Generally if you offer a carrot (bonuses) there also has to be a stick (losing your job, or at least not getting your bonus). Given the union situation in Irish Water they appear to have all carrots and no sticks. Everyone gets their bonus, no-one performed poorly. Right.


Or everyone got a bonus proportional to their performance? I don't know, but the headline is kinda describing a functional company. I don't deny that, behind the scenes, it may be making a pig's ear of things.


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 Post subject: Re: The Irish Water (meters) thread
PostPosted: Tue Apr 11, 2017 10:13 pm 
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Fudge, I mean report, passed by the committee today
http://www.rte.ie/news/2017/0411/866843 ... r-charges/
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Fianna Fáil and Fine Gael supported the report, while other parties and groups voted against it. The report re-instates the words excessive usage and imposes levies on those that use excessive amounts of water.
It bases excessive usage on 1.7 times the average household usage, with consideration being given to average individual usage of 133 litres per person per day.
It also states meters should be installed in all new builds.

Looks like a major FF climbdown to me after all their luster over the past few days. Cowen was on the news tonight acting the hard man as usual..."if anyone ever gets a water bill again, give me a call. I don't expect to get many calls'
He proudly proclaimed that Irish households will never see a water bill again.

Of course FG climbed down on this several times by this stage. A puppet Govt.

SF were on the radio earlier saying this was another bin charges in the making...that the door to charges has been left open through the 'excessive use' clause.


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 Post subject: Re: The Irish Water (meters) thread
PostPosted: Tue Apr 11, 2017 11:09 pm 
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Fuck me are people still talking about bloody water charges XX

It's not like there's anything more important going on the country XD

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 Post subject: Re: The Irish Water (meters) thread
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A populist see saw.

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 Post subject: Re: The Irish Water (meters) thread
PostPosted: Thu Apr 27, 2017 11:37 pm 
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I caught a news bulletin on Irish Water Jobstown trial this evening. The defense seems to be: it was her own fault, she is well to do, the protesters are poor, she deserved what she got. Now I'm no legal eagle, but this seems lie a pretty risky strategy. If they don't mount a proper defense, they will get found guilty of false imprisonment.

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 Post subject: Re: The Irish Water (meters) thread
PostPosted: Fri Apr 28, 2017 12:46 am 
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Magpie wrote:
I caught a news bulletin on Irish Water Jobstown trial this evening. The defense seems to be: it was her own fault, she is well to do, the protesters are poor, she deserved what she got. Now I'm no legal eagle, but this seems lie a pretty risky strategy. If they don't mount a proper defense, they will get found guilty of false imprisonment.

It's almost like they want to go to jail for some reason, is it?

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 Post subject: Re: The Irish Water (meters) thread
PostPosted: Fri Apr 28, 2017 3:41 am 
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It's almost like they want to go to jail for some reason, is it?

Here's hoping Judge Greally can see her way to granting their wish. :twisted:

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