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 Post subject: Re: The Irish Water (meters) thread
PostPosted: Fri Sep 22, 2017 11:15 am 
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your sympathy towards her for the treatment she was subjected to is illuminating.
I have no sympathy for her whatsoever. None. The evidence presented in the trial clearly showed the Gardaí in control of the situation and that the car could have been reversed out at any time. Protests are ugly and Joan Burton has been involved in enough of them over the years to know that.

Trial is over. All innocent.



innocent of the charges filed perhaps, and it seems the gardai werent in control of the situation.

not having sympathy for Joan as i said is illuminating, from the times:

Garda handling of the water charge protest at Jobstown was inept. At the same time, former tánaiste Joan Burton and her assistant were treated abominably: threatened, abused and spat at by some within an angry crowd and prevented from leaving. Garda reinforcements had such little effect in securing her freedom that an internal review of organisational practices, policies and other issues was ordered.


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 Post subject: Re: The Irish Water (meters) thread
PostPosted: Fri Sep 22, 2017 11:29 am 
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No, the story here is that Joan Burton is a washed up fool who thinks that defendants in trials shouldn't have legal representation. Try to keep up.

:o

The actions of Paul Murphy & co was nothing short of thuggery. But hey let's deflect attention away from this uncomfortable truth.


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 Post subject: Re: The Irish Water (meters) thread
PostPosted: Fri Sep 22, 2017 11:43 am 
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Coles2 wrote:
No, the story here is that Joan Burton is a washed up fool who thinks that defendants in trials shouldn't have legal representation. Try to keep up.

Thats not what she said and you know that if you were listening.

She said she counted 3 solicitors per defendant which she though excessive seeing as all were on legal aid. And she pointed out that on the continent in cases like this where a group of defendants are tried together, 1 legal team represents them all.

Keep the hyperbole down a tad :roll:


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 Post subject: Re: The Irish Water (meters) thread
PostPosted: Fri Sep 22, 2017 11:51 am 
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No, the story here is that Joan Burton is a washed up fool who thinks that defendants in trials shouldn't have legal representation. Try to keep up.

Thats not what she said and you know that if you were listening.

She said she counted 3 solicitors per defendant which she though excessive seeing as all were on legal aid. And she pointed out that on the continent in cases like this where a group of defendants are tried together, 1 legal team represents them all.

Keep the hyperbole down a tad :roll:

A defendant might have their own solicitor, but in a court case you employ a barrister to advocate for you for the trial. A Junior counsel assists the barrister. Why would a defendant have three solicitors and no barrister or junior counsel?

That's our legal system. It applies equally to all. Joan Burton wanted a mass trial? with 'dodgy' Garda evidence?

Moaning, whinging shite that defines her.


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 Post subject: Re: The Irish Water (meters) thread
PostPosted: Fri Sep 22, 2017 11:57 am 
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Luan wrote:
The actions of Paul Murphy & co was nothing short of thuggery. But hey let's deflect attention away from this uncomfortable truth.
What happened at the protest is not the story. The story is how the State tried to destroy protestors and failed.

Actually, they did manage to drive one protester to his death, so I suppose you can chalk that one down as a victory if you want. :roll:

http://www.thejournal.ie/jobstown-phili ... 8-Jul2016/


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 Post subject: Re: The Irish Water (meters) thread
PostPosted: Fri Sep 22, 2017 12:13 pm 
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She said she counted 3 solicitors per defendant which she though excessive...
Do you understand the difference between a solicitor, a barrister and junior counsel?


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 Post subject: Re: The Irish Water (meters) thread
PostPosted: Fri Sep 22, 2017 12:20 pm 
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Coles2 wrote:
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She said she counted 3 solicitors per defendant which she though excessive...
Do you understand the difference between a solicitor, a barrister and junior counsel?

You need to calm down and slow down. I repeated what Burton said in her interview, thats all.
I know this topic brings down the red mist on you, but chill.

Your making wild assertions and when the story from the interview is pointed out (an interview you claim to have listened to) which outlines your inaccuracies , you go off on a different tangent.

Chill


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 Post subject: Re: The Irish Water (meters) thread
PostPosted: Fri Sep 22, 2017 12:21 pm 
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Coles2 wrote:
Luan wrote:
The actions of Paul Murphy & co was nothing short of thuggery. But hey let's deflect attention away from this uncomfortable truth.
What happened at the protest is not the story. The story is how the State tried to destroy protestors and failed.

Actually, they did manage to drive one protester to his death, so I suppose you can chalk that one down as a victory if you want. :roll:

http://www.thejournal.ie/jobstown-phili ... 8-Jul2016/


drove him to his death?

Looking at the video i would imagine issues related to his obesity were a more likely cause

thats a scandalous post.


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 Post subject: Re: The Irish Water (meters) thread
PostPosted: Fri Sep 22, 2017 12:22 pm 
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Coles2 wrote:
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Coles2 wrote:
No, the story here is that Joan Burton is a washed up fool who thinks that defendants in trials shouldn't have legal representation. Try to keep up.

Thats not what she said and you know that if you were listening.

She said she counted 3 solicitors per defendant which she though excessive seeing as all were on legal aid. And she pointed out that on the continent in cases like this where a group of defendants are tried together, 1 legal team represents them all.

Keep the hyperbole down a tad :roll:

A defendant might have their own solicitor, but in a court case you employ a barrister to advocate for you for the trial. A Junior counsel assists the barrister. Why would a defendant have three solicitors and no barrister or junior counsel?

That's our legal system. It applies equally to all. Joan Burton wanted a mass trial? with 'dodgy' Garda evidence?

Moaning, whinging shite that defines her.


so you have confirmed your first post misrepresented what she said

thanks for clearing that up


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 Post subject: Re: The Irish Water (meters) thread
PostPosted: Fri Sep 22, 2017 12:59 pm 
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cyrusir wrote:
Coles2 wrote:
Luan wrote:
The actions of Paul Murphy & co was nothing short of thuggery. But hey let's deflect attention away from this uncomfortable truth.
What happened at the protest is not the story. The story is how the State tried to destroy protestors and failed.

Actually, they did manage to drive one protester to his death, so I suppose you can chalk that one down as a victory if you want. :roll:

http://www.thejournal.ie/jobstown-phili ... 8-Jul2016/


drove him to his death?

Looking at the video i would imagine issues related to his obesity were a more likely cause

thats a scandalous post.


He was 36, played Rugby and it's hard to tell how rotund he is from that video but he doesn't look like a prime heart attack candidate.

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 Post subject: Re: The Irish Water (meters) thread
PostPosted: Fri Sep 22, 2017 1:18 pm 
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tulip wrote:
cyrusir wrote:
Coles2 wrote:
Luan wrote:
The actions of Paul Murphy & co was nothing short of thuggery. But hey let's deflect attention away from this uncomfortable truth.
What happened at the protest is not the story. The story is how the State tried to destroy protestors and failed.

Actually, they did manage to drive one protester to his death, so I suppose you can chalk that one down as a victory if you want. :roll:

http://www.thejournal.ie/jobstown-phili ... 8-Jul2016/


drove him to his death?

Looking at the video i would imagine issues related to his obesity were a more likely cause

thats a scandalous post.


He was 36, played Rugby and it's hard to tell how rotund he is from that video but he doesn't look like a prime heart attack candidate.


its very sad that this young man has died, he has a family and a lot of friends by the looks of things. But blaming someone for driving him to his death is uncalled for. Im actually shocked at the depths coles has plumbed here.


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 Post subject: Re: The Irish Water (meters) thread
PostPosted: Sat Jan 06, 2018 8:27 pm 
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Concerning the refund of the water charges. People were asked to contribute their refund cheque to charity - does anybody know how much this initiative raised?

A workmate raised an interesting point on this - if you didn't pay your water charges did anybody suggest that you should pay what you would have paid to charity?


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 Post subject: Re: The Irish Water (meters) thread
PostPosted: Sat Jan 06, 2018 9:27 pm 
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metalmike wrote:
Concerning the refund of the water charges. People were asked to contribute their refund cheque to charity - does anybody know how much this initiative raised?

A workmate raised an interesting point on this - if you didn't pay your water charges did anybody suggest that you should pay what you would have paid to charity?


the irony of those who encouraged non payment urging those who did to give the money to charity


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 Post subject: Re: The Irish Water (meters) thread
PostPosted: Sat Jan 06, 2018 9:35 pm 
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300k actually received by 15th Dec
http://www.irishexaminer.com/ireland/ch ... 64528.html

I think I recall reading that over 5m had been pledged though it's easier to do that part than actually pay it over


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 Post subject: Re: The Irish Water (meters) thread
PostPosted: Sun Jan 07, 2018 9:53 am 
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FreeFallin wrote:
300k actually received by 15th Dec
http://www.irishexaminer.com/ireland/ch ... 64528.html

I think I recall reading that over 5m had been pledged though it's easier to do that part than actually pay it over

Thanks - seems like a disappointing figure given the sums involved - but it's probable that people gave at least part of the money to charities other than the 'official' one.


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