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 Post subject: Re: If you're the police, who'll police the police?
PostPosted: Fri Oct 05, 2018 4:16 pm 
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It is great to see that instructional video on top of that page: "Being arrested: What are your rights".

That's what I call proper advise for your readers!
None of that softy-BS life advise bollocks that the paper of record gives you, like Cosy Autumn evenings, Guilty Feminists and days off


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 Post subject: Re: If you're the police, who'll police the police?
PostPosted: Fri Oct 05, 2018 4:24 pm 
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It is believed the garda, stationed in Rathkeale, is suspected of involvement with a scam run by criminals living in the Co Limerick area.
Gardai also searched a halting site nearby as well as 16 houses seizing phones, documents and two cars.


when you have so much time on your hands....


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 Post subject: Re: If you're the police, who'll police the police?
PostPosted: Fri Oct 05, 2018 8:37 pm 
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All credit to The Mirror and The Sun, they named the town an the cop shop. And also that it was a halting site in which the raids took place.
The Indo, IT and RTE 6pm news all went with 'limerick area' and a more general term of 'residences' for their coverage. No points for even guessing what The Journal went with, the saps!


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 Post subject: Re: If you're the police, who'll police the police?
PostPosted: Thu Oct 11, 2018 1:02 pm 
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Tribunal shows what a pure scumbag Callanan was:

Disclosures tribunal: Martin Callinan told TD that Maurice McCabe was sex abuser, tribunal finds

https://www.irishtimes.com/news/crime-a ... -1.3660053

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 Post subject: Re: If you're the police, who'll police the police?
PostPosted: Thu Oct 11, 2018 9:10 pm 
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Definitely worth a read:

http://www.disclosuretribunal.ie/en/DIS ... Report.pdf

The media will focus on the juicy bits but there is also wisdom and common sense:

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The police should acknowledge, through proper promotion, the talent of those among them. The
tribunal does not have to spell it out beyond a requirement that the promotions system should be
freed from whatever ties it to not always promoting excellence.


And Judge Charleton is not blind to daily life:

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the extraordinary aspect of our police force is that they keep themselves isolated in police
stations and then transport themselves around in squad cars. It is extraordinarily rare that gardaí
are seen in uniform on the streets. In undertaking hundreds of journeys between the Four Courts
and Dublin Castle during the currency of the tribunal, on only one occasion was there a policeman
to stop a taxi or car breaking through a pedestrian light.


He was Counsel on the Morris Tribunal over a decade ago and now he finds himself repeating the Morris Tribunal findings:

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Regrettably, the Tribunal has sat through a year of evidence and read thousands of
documents and, as a result, has come to the conclusion that An Garda Síochána is losing
its character as a disciplined force. This is detrimental to the morale of members who wish
to serve within the context of a police force that has a proud record. It is undermining
respect for authority both within the force, and in relation to those who have to interact
with it, on whatever basis.
Ultimately, the gradual erosion of discipline within An Garda Síochána is a developing
situation that will, sooner or later, lead to disaster.623
This tribunal remains deeply concerned in the same way.


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 Post subject: Re: If you're the police, who'll police the police?
PostPosted: Fri Oct 12, 2018 12:23 am 
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I did a search for Ms D as she is a bit lost in all this. There's an exhausting number of references to her so I had to give up. From what I read, I wish that even the people in this world I dislike never encounter her in any way, shape or form.


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 Post subject: Re: If you're the police, who'll police the police?
PostPosted: Fri Oct 12, 2018 3:05 am 
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NegativeEquity wrote:
Tribunal shows what a pure scumbag Callanan was:

Disclosures tribunal: Martin Callinan told TD that Maurice McCabe was sex abuser, tribunal finds

https://www.irishtimes.com/news/crime-a ... -1.3660053

No danger of a prosecution in the scumbag's future, I presume.

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 Post subject: Re: If you're the police, who'll police the police?
PostPosted: Fri Oct 12, 2018 5:24 am 
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It's not as simple as prosecution. McCabe has an open-and-shut case for defamation against Callinan. Defamation being a civil matter, not a criminal one. So he will be considerably poorer on the basis of yesterday's findings.

Callinan presumably broke one if not many internal disciplinary garda rules. Punishments are up to and including being dismissed from the force. The issue is that he is not a garda anymore, so can't be disciplined.

I can't think of any criminal law he broke. Maybe someone else can.


His pension cannot be touched, as it is an accrued property right. I think this issue has to be fixed, for all classes of public servant. There really has to be a financial sanction for this kind of behaviour. Callinan has a pension of €85k for life. This is despite having used his office (national chief of police and head of intelligence) to spread the most serious, untrue allegations about one of his staff that you can imagine. It is very hard to explain this to the taxpayers paying his pension.


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 Post subject: Re: If you're the police, who'll police the police?
PostPosted: Fri Oct 12, 2018 12:50 pm 
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Is this the TLDR version

McCabe made allegations some were found to be true (penalty points) some not (rookie cops in Cavan made mistakes in investigations but it wasn't deliberate or malign).

Callinan and Taylor ran a smear campaign.

The sexual allegation was genuinely made but it was found to have no case to be answered and the Tusla investigation was a genuine mistake?

O'Sullivan was trying to do the right thing as Commissioner but Taylor ran a smear against her leading to her resignation?

Fitzgerald and the DoJ was correct in keeping a remove from the Guard's legal strategy.

Other than Callinan and Taylor all other parties were acting in good faith but some made terrible errors in practice - like Tusla? Others it looked bad but were actually correct - Fitzgerald?

It's very confusing.


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 Post subject: Re: If you're the police, who'll police the police?
PostPosted: Fri Oct 12, 2018 6:05 pm 
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D4000 wrote:
Is this the TLDR version

McCabe made allegations some were found to be true (penalty points) some not (rookie cops in Cavan made mistakes in investigations but it wasn't deliberate or malign).

Callinan and Taylor ran a smear campaign.

The sexual allegation was genuinely made but it was found to have no case to be answered and the Tusla investigation was a genuine mistake?

O'Sullivan was trying to do the right thing as Commissioner but Taylor ran a smear against her leading to her resignation?

Fitzgerald and the DoJ was correct in keeping a remove from the Guard's legal strategy.

Other than Callinan and Taylor all other parties were acting in good faith but some made terrible errors in practice - like Tusla? Others it looked bad but were actually correct - Fitzgerald?

It's very confusing.


No it's much worse than that. E.g. Just from my scanning of the Ms D references. She brought up the allegation in HSE counselling years after it had been dismissed having just signed a form acknowledging that all allegations would get reported to authorities. The whole allegation at root of this is imagined. And it's not even an imagined crime i.e. What's she's imagined doesn't even constitute a crime. But she still took a GSOC complaint against the investigating officer, whose investigation was exemplary. And then she started contacting journalists and meeting politicians.

As for Tusla their whole conduct is scary. If there's such a crime as "parent abuse" then they're perpetrating it on a daily basis.


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