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 Post subject: Re: If you're the police, who'll police the police?
PostPosted: Mon May 21, 2018 12:00 pm 
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It’s as though the Irish media places higher value on the lives of parents than citizens without children

I think you're overthinking it. The media are filling out the story with whatever information they can put their hands on. It adds colour and gains eyeballs.

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 Post subject: Re: If you're the police, who'll police the police?
PostPosted: Mon May 21, 2018 12:25 pm 
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Eschatologist wrote:
croquette wrote:
It’s as though the Irish media places higher value on the lives of parents than citizens without children

I think you're overthinking it. The media are filling out the story with whatever information they can put their hands on. It adds colour and gains eyeballs.


But why does the Irish media rely so much on that fact (being a father/mother of x number of children) to add colour? There are plenty of facts about people that add colour. Is it more tragic when a parent dies than when a person without children dies? Is it not obvious that when a person dies there will de devastated people? I especially don’t understand it here when it’s about road traffic deaths.


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 Post subject: Re: If you're the police, who'll police the police?
PostPosted: Mon May 21, 2018 12:26 pm 
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nonsense. We don't know what their home life was like. I suspect they're immensely better without an abductor there.

I don't, but I doubt they knew he was an abductor or whatever else he was. This is going to be massively traumatic on that family. It's also of interest to people how seemingly normal the perpetrator is at a superficial level, similar to Dwyer.


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 Post subject: Re: If you're the police, who'll police the police?
PostPosted: Mon May 21, 2018 12:32 pm 
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Their trauma is not a matter for public concern, surely? (Unlike the need to know that there is an abductor on the loose/dead and a woman missing).


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 Post subject: Re: If you're the police, who'll police the police?
PostPosted: Mon May 21, 2018 2:08 pm 
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croquette wrote:
Their trauma is not a matter for public concern, surely? (Unlike the need to know that there is an abductor on the loose/dead and a woman missing).

The alleged abductor is dead. Once the victim is located do you expect all coverage will end?


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 Post subject: Re: If you're the police, who'll police the police?
PostPosted: Mon May 21, 2018 2:18 pm 
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croquette wrote:
Their trauma is not a matter for public concern, surely? (Unlike the need to know that there is an abductor on the loose/dead and a woman missing).

The media are not an outlet for public service announcements, they're (with the possible exception of RTE) for-profit enterprises competing for attention.

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 Post subject: Re: If you're the police, who'll police the police?
PostPosted: Mon May 21, 2018 3:23 pm 
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Eschatologist wrote:
croquette wrote:
Their trauma is not a matter for public concern, surely? (Unlike the need to know that there is an abductor on the loose/dead and a woman missing).

The media are not an outlet for public service announcements, they're (with the possible exception of RTE) for-profit enterprises competing for attention.


Indeed. I suppose it speaks to the level of intelligence of the consumers of such information.


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 Post subject: Re: If you're the police, who'll police the police?
PostPosted: Tue May 22, 2018 10:46 am 
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croquette wrote:
Eschatologist wrote:
croquette wrote:
Their trauma is not a matter for public concern, surely? (Unlike the need to know that there is an abductor on the loose/dead and a woman missing).

The media are not an outlet for public service announcements, they're (with the possible exception of RTE) for-profit enterprises competing for attention.


Indeed. I suppose it speaks to the level of intelligence of the consumers of such information.


The average person is interested in any information about the people central in newsworthy events, where they live, what they do, previous criminal histories etc. Marital status is just one of these and victims or perpetrators having children will have an obvious effect on these. Its just a natural human angle. Its also a small country here and there are only a few degrees of separation between most people.


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 Post subject: Re: If you're the police, who'll police the police?
PostPosted: Wed May 30, 2018 1:51 pm 
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Down under:

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Victoria cops faked more than 258,000 roadside breath tests

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2018-05-30/v ... ts/9817846


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 Post subject: Re: If you're the police, who'll police the police?
PostPosted: Wed May 30, 2018 2:28 pm 
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Blindjustice BATONEFFECT wrote:
Down under:

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Victoria cops faked more than 258,000 roadside breath tests

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2018-05-30/v ... ts/9817846

Should be an interesting contrast.


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 Post subject: Re: If you're the police, who'll police the police?
PostPosted: Wed May 30, 2018 2:51 pm 
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Blindjustice BATONEFFECT wrote:
Down under:

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Victoria cops faked more than 258,000 roadside breath tests

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2018-05-30/v ... ts/9817846



didnt that happen in Eire too?

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 Post subject: Re: If you're the police, who'll police the police?
PostPosted: Wed May 30, 2018 6:16 pm 
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Blindjustice BATONEFFECT wrote:
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Victoria cops faked more than 258,000 roadside breath tests

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2018-05-30/v ... ts/9817846

Couldn't get a better opportunity to benchmark our acceptance of corrupt behaviour. Although, there is a chance that Australia is contaminated by our own attitudes considering its history. Probably no doubt what would happen if it was in Germany or Sweden.

In other news, its ok if the guards don't do their job so long as it isn't illegal...
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The family of a hit-and-run victim killed by a man they say should have been in prison at the time has attracted widespread political support for a public inquiry into the Garda handling of the case.
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A report by the Garda Síochána Ombudsman Commission (Gsoc), finalised last month after six years of investigations, found gardaí made no attempt to return Gridzuiska before the courts when he had committed subsequent offences in breach of bail conditions.
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Gsoc was investigating whether gardaí had committed any criminal offences in their handling of the case and found they had not.

The O’Farrell family has undertaken extensive research into the history of Gridzuiska and say they provided Gsoc with 12 court orders relating to him.

https://www.irishtimes.com/news/crime-and-law/calls-for-public-inquiry-into-garda-handling-of-cyclist-s-death-1.3513882


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 Post subject: Re: If you're the police, who'll police the police?
PostPosted: Wed May 30, 2018 6:30 pm 
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Blindjustice BATONEFFECT wrote:
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Victoria cops faked more than 258,000 roadside breath tests

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2018-05-30/v ... ts/9817846


It's been going on for well over a decade. Hot Press covered it 10 years ago and kinda predicted the Irish breath test debacle. (The Road Safety Authority made un-achievable demands on the Gardai - simple maths could have told them that.)

http://www.hotpress.com/Gardai-Breath-T ... 36052.html
"Meanwhile, Australia – the only English speaking country with the 0.05 five limit – has had its own problems with enforcing the lower limit. A report by the Ombudsman for Western Australia, following an investigation into a breath-testing scam, found that between September 2000 and March 2001, random breath-testing statistics “were systematically falsified with evidence that 93.5% of recorded random breath tests during that period were falsified.” Overall, at least 35% of Australian random breath tests were false."

"There was a huge outcry at the time, yet the problem arose again as recently as last October. According to Brisbane’s Courier-Mail, police officers “routinely manipulated alcohol testers to generate fake negative readings so they can meet a quota of three million breath tests a year.” Police claimed they are too overworked to meet the quota, with one Brisbane officer who retired in 2004 saying that for more than a decade he was “faking an average of five tests for every legitimate one he performed.”

The article finishes (perhaps ironically, given what we now know) with the lines:"We can only hope our own law enforcement officers don’t follow Australia’s “best practice” methods", before considering the increased pressure being put on the Gardai to follow the misguided Australian model


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 Post subject: Re: If you're the police, who'll police the police?
PostPosted: Thu May 31, 2018 9:21 am 
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In other news, its ok if the guards don't do their job so long as it isn't illegal...
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The family of a hit-and-run victim killed by a man they say should have been in prison at the time has attracted widespread political support for a public inquiry into the Garda handling of the case.
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A report by the Garda Síochána Ombudsman Commission (Gsoc), finalised last month after six years of investigations, found gardaí made no attempt to return Gridzuiska before the courts when he had committed subsequent offences in breach of bail conditions.
...
Gsoc was investigating whether gardaí had committed any criminal offences in their handling of the case and found they had not.

The O’Farrell family has undertaken extensive research into the history of Gridzuiska and say they provided Gsoc with 12 court orders relating to him.

https://www.irishtimes.com/news/crime-and-law/calls-for-public-inquiry-into-garda-handling-of-cyclist-s-death-1.3513882

This story featured on Primetime last Tuesday. It's an absolute indictment of our justice system from the Gardai half doing their jobs to Judges and their liberal use of bail laws. All watched over by our legislature which is packed full of barristers and solicitors who's former colleagues benefit from repeat offenders via the legal aid system.
My heart goes out to Mrs O'Farrell in her fight for justice. She has been massively let down by her State and it's systems


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 Post subject: Re: If you're the police, who'll police the police?
PostPosted: Fri Jun 08, 2018 1:15 pm 
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Pornstar accepted to join Gardai, now faces questions whether he is suitable
Trainee garda suspended after it’s discovered he featured in a porn film before he entered the force as internal probe launched
Internal probe. tee hee hee


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