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 Post subject: Re: If you're the police, who'll police the police?
PostPosted: Mon Oct 22, 2018 9:24 am 
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interesting article in the IT: https://www.irishtimes.com/news/crime-a ... 1?mode=amp

It discusses the focus of Boston police on community policing. Interesting juxtaposition with the Garda response at North Frederick street.

Why does Boston get Evans and we get Callinan? Whither next?


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 Post subject: Re: If you're the police, who'll police the police?
PostPosted: Mon Oct 22, 2018 12:24 pm 
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That's not the interesting question that hasn't been asked....the interesting question is 'What else (if anything !) has Callinan lied about during his very long career and who if anyone is looking into that ?'

Perhaps he just started lying recently about this one very small aspect of his career ! I bet that happens all the time with liars !


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 Post subject: Re: If you're the police, who'll police the police?
PostPosted: Fri Nov 02, 2018 1:54 pm 
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https://www.independent.ie/irish-news/f ... 79571.html

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Former garda commissioner Noirin O'Sullivan appointed UN assistant Secretary-General for Safety and Security


on top of her pension eh, the UN eh


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 Post subject: Re: If you're the police, who'll police the police?
PostPosted: Sat Nov 03, 2018 8:35 am 
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Blindjustice BATONEFFECT wrote:
on top of her pension eh, the UN eh


She was a member of AGS for 35 years - why wouldn't she be entitled to a pension?


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 Post subject: Re: If you're the police, who'll police the police?
PostPosted: Sat Nov 03, 2018 11:28 am 
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Skippy 3 wrote:
Blindjustice BATONEFFECT wrote:
on top of her pension eh, the UN eh


She was a member of AGS for 35 years - why wouldn't she be entitled to a pension?


WARNING ! WHITEWASH ALERT RE ABOVE TEXT !

The Whitewashing O'Sullivan and Frances Fitzgerald in contrary to what is actually said in report by the media and insiders is startling

page 132/406

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In her evidence to the tribunal, the Commissioner said that she was not made aware by Chief
Superintendent Healy of Annmarie Ryan seeking an urgent consultation:
Question: Ms. Ryan has given evidence that she felt that a consultation, face-toface,
should be had with you in relation to the matter because she felt that there
was trouble ahead in relation to what had gone on in the Commission on the Friday
evening, the 15th, and, as I understand it, Chief Superintendent Healy relayed that
to you?
Answer: Well, I've read Ms. Ryan's evidence, and my conversations with Chief
Superintendent Healy, and I do appreciate that Chief Superintendent Healy was
under a lot of pressure relaying matters to and fro from the Commission, but
certainly I was never given the impression that there was such an emphasis on
having a meeting, because no matter what I was doing or where I was, I would
always make myself available if it had been pressed upon me that there was such a
desire on behalf of Ms. Ryan to have a consultation, I certainly would have done
that.
321
For whatever reason, the Garda Commissioner declined at that stage to meet with her solicitor
and counsel. There is no excuse for that.
For one thing, it could have cleared up a matter which
was allowed to escalate.


Page 156/406

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The balance of the evidence is to the effect that Commissioner O’Sullivan was urgently requested
to engage with counsel over the weekend following the row but that for whatever unexplained
reason, she was not prepared to do so. The tribunal cannot accept her evidence in that regard.


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 Post subject: Re: If you're the police, who'll police the police?
PostPosted: Sat Nov 03, 2018 11:57 am 
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My point is completely unrelated to the Tribunal's verdict on her.

Her pension is an accrued property right based on more than half a lifetime of full-time employment and her drawing of it should be completely uncontroversial.

PS: Charleton would have done us all a favour with an executive summary and with the uploading of a searchable pdf.


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PostPosted: Sat Nov 03, 2018 12:34 pm 
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Skippy 3 wrote:
PS: Charleton would have done us all a favour with an executive summary and with the uploading of a searchable pdf.


Searchable, clickable. With conclusions starting p. 283. Many devastating findings, including a recap on Garda Keith Harrison who tried to use the McCabe debacle to hide his own failings.

This is a Supreme Court Judge and his Tribunal Report to the Oireachtas.
Executive Summary!? :oops:
I can't recall a more cogent and lucid public document on a controversial topic.

http://www.disclosuretribunal.ie/en/DIS ... Report.pdf


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 Post subject: Re: If you're the police, who'll police the police?
PostPosted: Sat Nov 03, 2018 12:42 pm 
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The copy I downloaded on the day of publication was not searchable. I gave up.

I find his prose style turgid and verbose. Excessive use of latinate terms and jargon, lots of double negatives and unnecessarily long sentences. Maybe this is standard stuff in the Four Courts. If it is, that's great pity.

It's the kind of style that would get thrown in the bin in my job, where, incidentally everything has a summary.


PS: his conclusions - which I've gathered from media discussion - seem pretty on the ball.


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 Post subject: Re: If you're the police, who'll police the police?
PostPosted: Sat Nov 03, 2018 5:36 pm 
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Quoting Macbeth and referencing JFK assassination in quick succession.

He obviously enjoys the sound of his own keystrokes. :D

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 Post subject: Re: If you're the police, who'll police the police?
PostPosted: Sat Nov 03, 2018 6:54 pm 
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Eschatologist wrote:
Quoting Macbeth and referencing JFK assassination in quick succession.

He obviously enjoys the sound of his own keystrokes. :D
I found that part of the report very interesting. It gives an insight into the problems a judge faces in establishing the truth among the lies and conspiracy theories, particularly relevant to this Tribunal. Literature and history are excellent sources to illustrate this.

Nor is his prose "turgid and verbose". It is written for the ordinary reader, not the lawyers, with a minimum of Latin. The double negatives reflect legal caution, as the report says:
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One useful aspect of the legal mind is that it is conditioned to look for evidence, to seek supporting evidence, to look for patterns indicative of truth, to not leap to conclusions and to not declare that someone has done something discreditable without sufficient proof. That is our standard and we will abide by it


If the media could do their job, we would have a summary by now, even an "executive summary" if someone is to be executed :mrgreen: The media were too busy "vindicating" assorted parties and damning others.


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 Post subject: Re: If you're the police, who'll police the police?
PostPosted: Sat Nov 03, 2018 7:34 pm 
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"The legal mind". Give me strength.

Still, it's a good report in spite of the pomposity.

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 Post subject: Re: If you're the police, who'll police the police?
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I forgot to mention his overuse of the passive voice.

Thanks for reminding me.


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 Post subject: Re: If you're the police, who'll police the police?
PostPosted: Sun Nov 04, 2018 5:59 pm 
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You mean one was reminded that the overuse of the passive voice was forgotten. :D

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 Post subject: Re: If you're the police, who'll police the police?
PostPosted: Wed Nov 07, 2018 4:14 pm 
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The High Court has dismissed an application by former garda commissioner Nóirín O'Sullivan for an order allowing her to bring a defamation action against the Irish Examiner newspaper.


https://www.rte.ie/news/courts/2018/110 ... osullivan/

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 Post subject: Re: If you're the police, who'll police the police?
PostPosted: Wed Nov 07, 2018 4:27 pm 
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Dubhgeannain wrote:
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The High Court has dismissed an application by former garda commissioner Nóirín O'Sullivan for an order allowing her to bring a defamation action against the Irish Examiner newspaper.


https://www.rte.ie/news/courts/2018/110 ... osullivan/


The mad thing is that apparently she wasn't even named!

And here is a page linking to the offending article, I think.

https://www.irishexaminer.com/briefings ... 24086.html

but the link itself....

https://www.irishexaminer.com/ireland/s ... 24048.html
"We can't find what you're looking for on IrishExaminer.com."

I wonder if they'll reinstate it. :D

Here's a quote from the article when it was up, via boards.ie

https://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showpos ... ostcount=1

I'm not going to copy/paste it. :D

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