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 Post subject: Re: If you're the police, who'll police the police?
PostPosted: Mon Nov 12, 2018 11:51 pm 
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Just fn shocking and unbelievable to hear and see in his own words what they tried to do to McCabe.


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 Post subject: Re: If you're the police, who'll police the police?
PostPosted: Tue Nov 13, 2018 12:16 pm 
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https://www.thejournal.ie/martin-callin ... 2-Nov2018/

What are the odds Callinan will have to fund his own defense?


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 Post subject: Re: If you're the police, who'll police the police?
PostPosted: Tue Nov 13, 2018 3:31 pm 
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owenm wrote:
https://www.thejournal.ie/martin-callinan-legal-costs-4334822-Nov2018/

What are the odds Callinan will have to fund his own defense?

Who is paying McCabe's. I reckon a crowdfunder would be massively over subscribed.

I'd happily chuck in a few quid.

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 Post subject: Re: If you're the police, who'll police the police?
PostPosted: Tue Nov 13, 2018 6:28 pm 
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I'd be shocked if there wasn't a queue of barristers and solicitors willing to do it on a no foal, no fee basis and after watching last nights program maybe even a few on a pro-bono basis


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 Post subject: Re: If you're the police, who'll police the police?
PostPosted: Mon Dec 17, 2018 1:32 am 
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Personally I wouldn't like to be guard in Co Roscommon this week.

https://www.irishtimes.com/news/crime-and-law/hundreds-protest-in-castlerea-over-men-s-alleged-assault-by-garda-1.3733223
As it was reported by the guards earlier in the week.
https://www.independent.ie/irish-news/garda-appeal-for-witnesses-to-public-order-incident-involving-garda-and-two-men-37623219.html

Long story short - Young guard is accused of assaulting two local very well known and respected men as they walked home at night just yards from their homes while he was investigating a reported burglary. Older man left with multiple fractures, younger man bruising and scrapes, guard injured ego. Older man lives less than 100 yards from Garda station and has done all his life, younger man 2 minutes walk further away. Neither local man known for ever assaulting anyone or any form of criminality at all. Supposedly 700 people on protest march today which is a massive turnout for a town of 2000+

Add this less than 20 miles away, today and last week https://www.irishtimes.com/news/crime-and-law/td-calls-for-calm-after-eight-security-guards-injured-in-eviction-house-attack-1.3733011 with the locals aiming a lot of anger the guards way.

I'm a long way away from this but I've had a number of calls from home about all this so I can only imagine how angry people are at home.

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 Post subject: Re: If you're the police, who'll police the police?
PostPosted: Tue Dec 18, 2018 1:18 pm 
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One to watch
https://www.rte.ie/news/2018/1218/1017775-policing/


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 Post subject: Re: If you're the police, who'll police the police?
PostPosted: Tue Dec 18, 2018 1:42 pm 
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Blindjustice BATONEFFECT wrote:


That's a strange article. The headline New intelligence unit to assess threats to State is barely mentioned as an aside within the article.

The Future of Policing in Ireland wrote:
The nature of the threat to national security has changed greatly in recent years,
to include new forms of international terrorism, radicalisation of individuals, and
cyber threats to critical national infrastructure. An Garda Síochána should retain its
responsibilities for security operations, including intelligence gathering, investigations,
interceptions and arrests. The internal security and intelligence capacity within An
Garda Síochána should be appropriately resourced and reinforced with additional
specialist skills. However, the national security function should not be lodged entirely
within the police organisation
and it is now necessary to augment An Garda Síochána’s
responsibility for security operations. There should be a more structured multi-agency
approach to security, and a Strategic Threat Analysis Centre, based in the Department
of the Taoiseach and headed by a National Security Coordinator. The office should
bring together all sources of security intelligence and information – from An Garda
Síochána, the Department of Justice and Equality, the National Cyber Security Centre,
the Defence Forces, the Department of Foreign Affairs and Trade and any other sources
– to develop and provide briefings and advice to the Taoiseach on all matters of national
security. The Coordinator should be responsible for synchronising national security
strategy.

[emphasis theirs]


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 Post subject: Re: If you're the police, who'll police the police?
PostPosted: Tue Dec 18, 2018 9:27 pm 
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It looks like an unfortunate fudge where the compromise is worse than either of the options.

A committee doesn't really take the kind of executive decisions that you need an intelligence agency to carry out.

Unlikely that a generalist civil servant in DoT would have the savvy or experience to make these kind of calls.


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 Post subject: Re: If you're the police, who'll police the police?
PostPosted: Sat Dec 22, 2018 11:09 am 
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Blindjustice BATONEFFECT wrote:



https://m.independent.ie/irish-news/tao ... tvc9HUSu84

Quote:
Taoiseach vows to curb social media hate-speech after Roscommon eviction row
Taoiseach says online comments were an 'incitement of violence and hatred'


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 Post subject: Re: If you're the police, who'll police the police?
PostPosted: Sat Dec 22, 2018 11:20 am 
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https://www.newstalk.com/consent.php?re ... twvs8vfFvo

Wrong question, right one is can we trust our lawmakers


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