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 Post subject: Re: The Irish Education system. Bork central
PostPosted: Wed Oct 10, 2018 11:30 am 
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'Too many Irish teachers in Irish schools' shocker. If this is what passes for academic research in our Universities, it's no wonder they continue to tumble down the ranks

Primary teachers disproportionately white, Irish and Catholic
NUI Galway finds Irish-nationality teachers ‘significantly overrepresented’
https://www.irishtimes.com/news/educati ... -1.3642624
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The majority of trainee primary school teachers are white, Irish and Catholic and do not reflect our diverse population, new research has found.
Dr Manuela Heinz and Dr Elaine Keane, from the school of education in NUI Galway, have carried out the first comprehensive and nationwide study in Ireland which explores the socio-demographic backgrounds of entrants to primary teacher education programmes.
According to the Central Statistics Office, 11.6 per cent of the population identify as non-Irish, while 82.2 per cent of the population identify as white Irish.
However, some 99 per cent of trainee teachers identified as white Irish and 100 per cent of them said English or Irish was their first language.


And not a mention that the vast vast majority of teachers are women. You'll note that the 2 female authors don't mention that most obvious fact but such are the times we live in


Presumably the following is the ultimate destination of the type of kite-flying referenced above ...

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A former SNP Holyrood candidate has claimed “anti-Muslim racism” is seeping into Scottish education because language policies treat ethnic minorities as inferior to white Scots.

Nighet Riaz, an academic at the University of the West of Scotland, said Gaelic was promoted and given millions of pounds in ring-fenced public funding while the traditional languages of non-white groups were sidelined in schools. She said that there was a lack of Urdu teachers, with schools unable to meet the needs of large Pakistani communities, particularly in Glasgow.



https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/fund ... -qsd702gkd

'No borders' is code for no delineation in cultural terms and is cover for what Ive listened to a number of Indian and Pakistani muslims decsribe gleefully as 'reverse colonisation'....

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 Post subject: Re: The Irish Education system. Bork central
PostPosted: Wed Oct 10, 2018 11:58 am 
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One way to get people to take up and defend Irish will be if Hindi is urged to replace it as more people speak Hindi.

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 Post subject: Re: The Irish Education system. Bork central
PostPosted: Wed Oct 10, 2018 1:11 pm 
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One way to get people to take up and defend Irish will be if Hindi is urged to replace it as more people speak Hindi.


Hindus in the UK generally tend to integrate to a large extent and also to outperform the indigenous population in educational (and professional) terms within a generation or two.

Its quite interesting to contrast their experience with that of the majority of their Muslim compatriots and cousins from north of the border who (as Ms Riaz points out in the quoted excerpt), are on the receiving end of Islamophic practice and policy that, presumably, restrict their societal advancement.

Im often struck by the manner in which Hinduphobia and Budhaphobia (or indeed Chinophobia, Vietphobia, Philipinophobia, Polishphobia or Brazilianphobia) have never really taken off to the same extent as the Islamic version....it (islamophobia) being one of the great evils of our time for which we should feel collective shame....

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 Post subject: Re: The Irish Education system. Bork central
PostPosted: Wed Oct 10, 2018 2:57 pm 
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You generally need a war for a Phobia. If Britain were at war with India you'd soon see Hindiophobia. As it is the West and the Muslim world are at war and therefore you have Islamophobia. There was a great deal of Polishophobia/Euphobia following Brexit and that was just a war of words.

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 Post subject: Re: The Irish Education system. Bork central
PostPosted: Wed Oct 10, 2018 10:00 pm 
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He says he will hand down a written judgement - I can only guess at his reasoning.

It's easier to appeal against if they mark it wrong? :-GC


Now we have 300 students to be accommodated on courses, many of which began a month ago.

https://www.irishtimes.com/news/educati ... -1.3658623

Perhaps the real question is why we ration courses at all? There are enough third-level courses for all Leaving Cert students but there is intense competition for certain courses. Why not simply increase the places on popular courses?

There seem to be no problem with the students' ability - there is practically zero failure rates in medical courses.

Imagine a world without the Leaving Cert points rat race?


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 Post subject: Re: The Irish Education system. Bork central
PostPosted: Wed Oct 10, 2018 10:21 pm 
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Most diaspora Hindus are of the Brahmin caste.

Like Brahmins back in India, they tend to occupy elite positions in society.


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 Post subject: Re: The Irish Education system. Bork central
PostPosted: Wed Oct 10, 2018 10:33 pm 
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Lefournier3 wrote:
Perhaps the real question is why we ration courses at all?


The appeals system timelines need to get sorted but your question above is the more important question. As best as I can answer it we built it when there was more of a supply and demand issue in the 80's and also a time when there was great concern about people being able to get unfair advantage.

The CAO very effectively dealt with these issues. There was a massive increase in the number of college places from the 90's on and many of the supply and demand issues for many courses went away. By then an industry had grown up around the CAO system. I think the CAO could set up a parallel system which would allocate places based on 5th year results or something similar. Courses could be migrate to this system if it suited their needs better. In many cases it would. That would leave a few high demand courses in the current system.


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 Post subject: Re: The Irish Education system. Bork central
PostPosted: Thu Oct 11, 2018 7:28 am 
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Most diaspora Hindus are of the Brahmin caste.

Like Brahmins back in India, they tend to occupy elite positions in society.


Not strictly true.

But assuming it was the case, the same argument could be made with regard to Sikhs in the UK or elsewhere vis a vis Muslims, Sikhism being a religion that rejects the caste system entirely (at least in theory).

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 Post subject: Re: The Irish Education system. Bork central
PostPosted: Fri Oct 12, 2018 5:33 am 
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Skippy 3 wrote:
Most diaspora Hindus are of the Brahmin caste.

Like Brahmins back in India, they tend to occupy elite positions in society.


Not strictly true.

But assuming it was the case, the same argument could be made with regard to Sikhs in the UK or elsewhere vis a vis Muslims, Sikhism being a religion that rejects the caste system entirely (at least in theory).


Muslims and Sikhs may 'reject' the caste system, but that doesn't mean they can opt out of it.

Your religion and/or caste status follows you round like a bad smell in India. It impacts on what you can work at, who you can socialise with, where you can live, and who you can marry. Indians know the caste status of literally every other Indian they know.

Outsiders don't really understand this.

Brahmins have been the most high-status class in India for a millenium, and practice marital endogamy. It is no surprise that their descendants tend to do well professionally outside India too.


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 Post subject: Re: The Irish Education system. Bork central
PostPosted: Fri Oct 12, 2018 6:06 am 
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Skippy 3 wrote:
Your religion and/or caste status follows you round like a bad smell in India.

Outsiders don't really understand this.


Or like a good smell, if you're at the top

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Brahmins have been the most high-status class in India for a millenium, and practice marital endogamy. It is no surprise that their descendants tend to do well professionally outside India too.


They play the person of color card very well, particularly in the US

What this has to do with the Irish education system is anyone's guess

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