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 Post subject: Irish Water & the housing crisis
PostPosted: Sat Sep 08, 2018 10:05 am 
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1,200 new houses can’t be delivered because Irish Water is unable to provide new water connections in a large midland town. They have a new treatment and water plant courtesy of FF.

The problem Irish Water can’t lay new sewage pipes for some unknown reason - professional opinion is that the problem will be resolved within 5-7 years. In the meantime no new houses can be built and rents are rocketing upwards.


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 Post subject: Re: Irish Water & the housing crisis
PostPosted: Sat Sep 08, 2018 9:35 pm 
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If the infrastructure is maxed out then rightly so.
Otherwise there could be flooding.


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 Post subject: Re: Irish Water & the housing crisis
PostPosted: Sun Sep 09, 2018 4:25 pm 
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E92 335i wrote:
If the infrastructure is maxed out then rightly so.
Otherwise there could be flooding.

The infrastructure is not maxed out - in this particular case it is at less than 50% of capacity.

The problem is a 5-7 year timeline to lay new sewerage pipes in the middle of a housing crisis. People accuse developers of land hoarding when the reality is something very different.


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 Post subject: Re: Irish Water & the housing crisis
PostPosted: Sun Sep 09, 2018 4:39 pm 
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Are you sure that it is only the sewage pipes that are the problem, not something else like possible flooding (building in a flood plain) or similar?
Too many developments in the Midlands have been in areas prone to once in 10 year flooding events and others have diverted floodwater into areas that never previously flooded.

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 Post subject: Re: Irish Water & the housing crisis
PostPosted: Sun Sep 09, 2018 5:10 pm 
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dolanbaker wrote:
Are you sure that it is only the sewage pipes that are the problem, not something else like possible flooding (building in a flood plain) or similar?
Too many developments in the Midlands have been in areas prone to once in 10 year flooding events and others have diverted floodwater into areas that never previously flooded.

100% sure - the latest flood maps (2016) show the majority of the town’s zoned land as having 1-1000 year chance of flooding.

Planning/housing departments are pulling their hair out - they want the houses and levies but nothing they can do.


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 Post subject: Re: Irish Water & the housing crisis
PostPosted: Mon Sep 10, 2018 10:37 am 
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Luan wrote:
Planning/housing departments are pulling their hair out - they want the houses and levies but nothing they can do.

Is there anything stopping them from laying the pipes themselves?

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 Post subject: Re: Irish Water & the housing crisis
PostPosted: Mon Sep 10, 2018 5:00 pm 
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Fair question - in theory Irish waters connection charges cover the cost of infrastructure. My guess is that Irish Water will insist the new pipe has capacity to meet the sewerage requirements of future developments.


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 Post subject: Re: Irish Water & the housing crisis
PostPosted: Wed Sep 12, 2018 10:19 am 
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Does this town have a name, or the information top secret?


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 Post subject: Re: Irish Water & the housing crisis
PostPosted: Wed Sep 12, 2018 11:09 am 
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It sounds like it'd be harder to build and profitably sell 1200 houses in 5-7 years in one town in the middle of the country than fixing whatever is holding up the connections.

Is there any chance at all some builder is trying to save on fees and levies and force through planning on a much smaller scale site by spreading misinformation about 1200 houses?


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 Post subject: Re: Irish Water & the housing crisis
PostPosted: Wed Sep 12, 2018 12:45 pm 
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sorehead wrote:
It sounds like it'd be harder to build and profitably sell 1200 houses in 5-7 years in one town in the middle of the country than fixing whatever is holding up the connections.

Is there any chance at all some builder is trying to save on fees and levies and force through planning on a much smaller scale site by spreading misinformation about 1200 houses?

The town in question could support circa 2000 new houses over a 7 year time horizon. Also no one developer controls more than 200 units.

So I think it unlikely that somebody is trying to control supply by spreading misinformation especially as there has been little or no new building for 10 years.


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