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 Post subject: Re: The Legal Profession- a law onto itself
PostPosted: Sat Feb 13, 2016 9:06 pm 
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Lawyers, unions and consultants are constant benificiaries of taxpayer largess. Billions wasted every year.


I suspect any largesse towards one of these three groups turned very negative over last 5 years. Other two maybe not so much.


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 Post subject: Re: The Legal Profession- a law onto itself
PostPosted: Thu Jun 29, 2017 6:28 pm 
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At one point, the Bar Council was given draft amendments to the legislation before they were presented to Cabinet. The council found some of these amendments “controversial” – and declared they should not be taken by Cabinet as the “consultation” with it was incomplete.

Does no one else find this totally GUBU....these Cowboys were practically drafting the legislation that would govern their own profession. These unelected leeches had first view of any proposals before the Cabinet even got a whiff of it.
It's absolutely sickening...and people were saying we lost our Sovereignty when the Troika came in!!!! We'd lost it long before that by the looks of it.

And Poacher makes a good point about the way Society has developed in the era of Minority rights and a Diverse Society, and how this has given the Wigged ones access to a bottomless money pit via the Taxpayer.
Just look at the millions Barristers and Solicitors are making from the Asylum process in this country
http://www.independent.ie/irish-news/co ... 08349.html
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The barrister wife of former Fianna Fail minister Barry Andrews received more than a €1m for briefs from the Attorney General's office to fight asylum applications in the past five years.
Sinead McGrath BL is among eight of the earners in asylum cases who dominate the top echelons of barristers paid by the State. Mr Andrews, who was appointed chief executive of the charity GOAL in 2012, was a government minister in 2008 when the State began spending millions in legal costs to fight asylum applications in the High Court.
The list of high earners in the asylum court includes one of the country's top-earning husband-wife legal teams. Emily Farrell BL and Daniel Donnelly BL, who married last year, made €3m between them in the asylum court in the past five years. Mr Donnelly is the son of former Fianna Fail Dublin Lord Mayor, accountant Michael Donnelly, and a candidate for the party in the Dublin South East electoral area.


So the connections between Government and the Legal Profession might explain a lot about how we got to where we are today


Great point and great post.

Ireland is meant to be among the highest in Europe for legal fees and also the least accountable....weird since this family have an accountant in their family!

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The list of high earners in the asylum court includes one of the country's top-earning husband-wife legal teams. Emily Farrell BL and Daniel Donnelly BL, who married last year, made €3m between them in the asylum court in the past five years. Mr Donnelly is the son of former Fianna Fail Dublin Lord Mayor, accountant Michael Donnelly, and a candidate for the party in the Dublin South East electoral area


I simply cannot believe how much barristers are paid to kick immigrants out of the country. Couldn't they at least do it for minimum wage?


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 Post subject: Re: The Legal Profession- a law onto itself
PostPosted: Fri Jun 30, 2017 12:52 am 
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I'm pretty sure I've read that very few people are ever actually removed from the State although I could be wrong.

Another point worth noting re costs however, is that any immigration work taken against the State is covered by free legal aid, no matter how vexatious. The costs associated with this industry are huge and are footed entirely by the taxpayer.

A simple way to root out the more vexatious cases would be to simply allow the State recover costs in those cases where it's succesful, or at least in cases where the application is quite clearly a nonsense/stalling mechanism. As it stands the systems a joke

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 Post subject: Re: The Legal Profession- a law onto itself
PostPosted: Mon Jul 03, 2017 2:57 am 
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Mantissa wrote:
This is also why it's crazy to have a doctor as Minister for health, or a lawyer as Minister for justice.


There must be a few Noel Brownes out there, willing to put the common good first. Ditto for the lawyers.


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 Post subject: Re: The Legal Profession- a law onto itself
PostPosted: Mon Jul 03, 2017 7:40 am 
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https://www.irishtimes.com/opinion/diar ... 4300009037
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At Ennis District Court last week, Judge Patrick Durcan, a former Fine Gael politician, excoriated broadcaster Joe Duffy “and all the great panjandrums of the media” who “are attacking the courts for not sentencing people”. District judges make these kinds of outbursts occasionally. They are ironic interventions, because some of the greatest panjandrums ever to be heard in Ireland have populated judges’ benches or appeared in court as self-worshipping barristers.
Panjandrum, meaning a person who has or claims to have a great deal of authority or influence, is a word seldom heard today. It has its origins in a Samuel Foote poem from the mid-18th century, mocking an actor’s claim he could memorise any paragraph after a single reading; its usage evolved to refer to any exalted personage or pompous official.
Legal panjandrums can be insufferable. Ruadhán Mac Cormaic, in his authoritative history of the Supreme Court published last year, reminds us that the work of judges can be wrapped in a “forbidding cloak of archaic, esoteric language and otherworldly courtroom conventions”.

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That does not mean judges are best equipped to make completely objective assessments of their judicial colleagues, but then who is? Those outside the profession? Who is best qualified to assess the merits or otherwise of medics or teachers? Surely the views of those with the relevant expertise should carry more weight? In my field, would it not be inappropriate for a historian to be appointed to lecture in history by an interview panel dominated by non-historians?
For those obvious reasons, the proposed Judicial Appointments Commission Bill, with its provisions for a lay majority on the commission, is flawed. Government patronage in the appointment of judges is and always has been inappropriate and is clearly untenable, but the new Bill is not designed to ensure balance in the judicial appointments process, or do justice to a more nuanced history than the word “cronyism” would suggest. Ironically, the Bill is championed by the grandest panjandrum in contemporary Irish politics. The Bill will not serve justice; it will merely massage one giant ego.


zinger!


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 Post subject: Re: The Legal Profession- a law onto itself
PostPosted: Thu Jul 06, 2017 6:15 pm 
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Is there any analysis of the Irish legal industry that compares costs to countries like Canada and the UK? As far as I can see, a lot more prosecutions in Canada are conducted by salaried employees than would be the case in Ireland and nobody seems concerned about the quality of the product.


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 Post subject: Re: The Legal Profession- a law onto itself
PostPosted: Thu Jul 20, 2017 12:10 pm 
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Perhaps this is why recidivist criminals walk the streets and allegedly rape Spanish tsudents whilst on bail

http://www.thejournal.ie/poll-legal-aid ... 3-Jul2017/
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In the eight years between 2009 and 2016 Ireland spent €428.1 million on free criminal legal aid, while in February 2015 Fair Trials International found that in Ireland 71% of suspects and accused persons are entitled to legal aid.


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 Post subject: Re: The Legal Profession- a law onto itself
PostPosted: Tue Feb 06, 2018 6:05 pm 
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https://www.irishtimes.com/news/crime-a ... -1.3382222
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Solicitor caught with cocaine at Mountjoy to avoid conviction
Aonghus McCarthy (32) claimed someone else put the drugs in his wallet at a party


I suppose no one can say the legal profession discriminates between its more prestigious members and its low-life Saul Goodman types :roll:

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Aonghus McCarthy (32), who claimed someone else put the drugs in his wallet at a party, was told he would get a strike out if he donated €1,250 to a drug addiction treatment centre.

Judge Gerry Jones said Mr McCarthy, with an address at Wellington House, Clancy Quay, Dublin 8, was in a “noble profession” but was being treated the same as any other defendant.

...uring the interview he said that, “I absolutely 100 per cent did not put it in my wallet” and claimed “someone else must have put it in there”.

He said it was possibly someone he had gone to a party with, the court was told. “I do not do drugs and I would not risk the entirety of my career. I don’t know who did do it and will ask around,” he said.

The judge said he would strike out the case and leave Mr McCarthy without a conviction if he donated €1,250 to the Merchant Quay drug project. “He will get one chance and one chance only,” the judge added.


responds with a blatant fucking lie and he still gets the benefit of the doubt, I mean, cock and bull story


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 Post subject: Re: The Legal Profession- a law onto itself
PostPosted: Tue May 08, 2018 11:20 pm 
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Only a couple of years after the 'groundbreaking' legal reform bill brought in at the behest of the Troika, we're back again reviewing the legal industry, their practices and fees
Apologies for the link via pressreader but I cannot find this anywhere else...quelle surprise!

Justice Peter kelly is chairing the review and he says that only Paupers or Millionaires can afford to go to the High Court
https://www.pressreader.com/ireland/iri ... 9277047148

The Last Word discussed this earlier too and not a single contributor alluded to how the Troika failed in its attempt so this review is unlikely to come to anything either


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 Post subject: Re: The Legal Profession- a law onto itself
PostPosted: Wed Jun 06, 2018 11:25 pm 
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Welcome to Ireland Mr.Schrems

Schrems says ‘insanely high’ Irish legal fees threaten cases against online firms
Austrian campaigner says firms can ‘bankrupt’ data regulator through appeals
https://www.irishtimes.com/news/social- ... -1.3521758
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Speaking in Dublin on Wednesday, Mr Schrems noted the Office of the Data Protection Commissioner (DPC) had run up a bill of €2 million in pursuing his case against Facebook.
“So if one case...costs basically a third of your budget, or half of your budget or whatever it is, how many cases can you actually bring as an Irish regulator just without going bankrupt?”...
...He told the audience that “legal fees in Ireland are just insanely high”, whereas in Austria a court case could cost between €2,000 and €3,000. “That is going to be in the long run a problem because as a [responding] company that has a budget, you’re just going to appeal, appeal, appeal any decision from the [data protection authority] and thereby run them out of money.”
Mr Schrems said lawyers had also told him that companies can be unwilling to appeal DPA decisions due to the legal cost.


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 Post subject: Re: The Legal Profession- a law onto itself
PostPosted: Mon Jun 11, 2018 2:30 pm 
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https://www.irishtimes.com/news/crime-a ... -1.3525644

Judge demands explanation from lawyers he accuses of misleading court

literally!


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 Post subject: Re: The Legal Profession- a law onto itself
PostPosted: Fri Jun 22, 2018 5:50 pm 
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https://www.irishtimes.com/news/crime-a ... -1.3540317

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A solicitor who paid himself what an independent solicitor described as “extortionate” fees of €344,000 out of a child’s €454,840 estate has reimbursed that sum, the High Court has heard.

The €344,000 has been lodged in an account controlled by another independent solicitor pending further court order.

In addition to paying over the €344,000, Declan O’Callaghan, practising from Pound Street, Ballaghderreen, Co Roscommon, has made proposals to the Law Society aimed at allowing him continue to practice under supervision of another solicitor, the president of the High Court was told on Friday.

The regulation of practice (RTP) committee of the Society will hear details of the proposals next week to decide if they are adequate or whether the Society should proceed with its application to suspend the solicitor from practice pending a hearing before the Solicitors Disciplinary Tribunal (SDT).


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The independent solicitor expressed the opinion the fees charged bore no relation to the work done on behalf of the estate to date and described them as “extortionate”.

Mr Justice Kelly said Mr O’Callaghan had in affidavits pointed out the report also said positive things said about him regarding his level of expertise and the work he did for the estate.

In the affidavits, the soicitor said he had conducted himself honestly at all times.

He also said he must now accept the independent solicitor’s opinion the fees charged were “excessive”.

The judge said suspension would have a detrimental effect, not just on the solicitor but would also jeopardise nine staff employed at the practice “who were not responsible at all for this unfortunate business”.

If a method of protection of the public could be found other than suspension, the court was open to that being explored but that was a matter for the ROP committee to decide in the first instance.

The administrator of the child’s estate was represented and was happy to continue in that role and do whatever was in the child’s best interests, which might include consideration of making him a ward of court, he also noted.

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even Peter Kelly acquiesces in the face of legal profession cuntery


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 Post subject: Re: The Legal Profession- a law onto itself
PostPosted: Sat Jul 28, 2018 2:53 pm 
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Another report will try to rein in the compo carnival but judges do not take instruction, even from a retired President of the High Court.

The comparison with France and Germany is embarrassing. When will our continental cousins wake up to the free money which we call Whiplash? :idea:

https://www.independent.ie/irish-news/c ... 62760.html


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 Post subject: Re: The Legal Profession- a law onto itself
PostPosted: Sat Jul 28, 2018 6:36 pm 
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Fucking joke. A letter in the Irish Times was typical, moaning about the cost of insurance asking why EU free market doesn't apply. Idiots


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 Post subject: Re: The Legal Profession- a law onto itself
PostPosted: Tue Jul 31, 2018 12:11 am 
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The legal profession in this country are practically untouchable!

In fairness to Alan Shatter , he did try to reign them in but the legal eagles and their buddies in the political parties and the press shafted him out of office before any damage could be done!


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