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 Post subject: Re: Grappling with the housing crisis: Fresh approaches need
PostPosted: Fri Oct 19, 2018 10:28 am 
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Dubhgeannain wrote:
https://www.independent.ie/irish-news/c ... 34491.html

I read somewhere this one has an after tax income of 51k and obviously doesn't have to worry about the opportunity cost of working.

The activists need another poster child. Peter Casey is quite photogenic :x


When all the benefits and the HAP payments are added in she gets a little over €50k from the taxpayer/government. Any gratitude?

On being ask what she expects in the budget

margaret cash wrote:
"I don’t expect anything from this government. Nothing, to be honest."

https://www.independent.ie/irish-news/n ... 98652.html

The homeless activists/media have gotten all they can out of her, she is of no use to them now.

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 Post subject: Re: Grappling with the housing crisis: Fresh approaches need
PostPosted: Sun Oct 21, 2018 12:34 pm 
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temene wrote:
Yet another allegation in Galway about Council staff, with no oversight, abusing their powers on housing
I have been sent documentation concerning irregularities in the allocation of housing under the affordable social housing scheme that has been operated by Galway City Council.
According to the documents I have been sent, former senior management officials were allocated housing under the scheme who did not fit its criteria.
That a retired head of a particular department whose income would be publicly known to be in excess of the limits allowable under the affordable social housing scheme was given a house is a very serious matter. Furthermore, I am told he already had a primary residence prior to purchasing the house. I am informed that other senior officials were awarded houses in excess of their needs as well
https://www.kildarestreet.com/sendebate ... 14a.34#g95 http://connachttribune.ie/staff-alleged ... elves-040/

Galway City Council confirms it gave an affordable house at a discounted price to one of its senior managers – who subsequently rented it out to tenants.
It also sold affordable houses at discount prices to two further staff members.
https://www.businesspost.ie/news/afford ... ate-428562


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 Post subject: Re: Grappling with the housing crisis: Fresh approaches need
PostPosted: Tue Nov 06, 2018 11:43 am 
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Domestic abuse victims are not being counted in official homelessness totals because there may be a “political issue” about the number tipping over 10,000, Minister for Children Katherine Zappone said.
(I don't have a link)
That's atop all the other fudging of the figures happening


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 Post subject: Re: Grappling with the housing crisis: Fresh approaches need
PostPosted: Tue Nov 06, 2018 1:39 pm 
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temene wrote:
Domestic abuse victims are not being counted in official homelessness totals because there may be a “political issue” about the number tipping over 10,000, Minister for Children Katherine Zappone said.
(I don't have a link)
That's atop all the other fudging of the figures happening

Why would somebody want to include domestic abuse victims in the homeless statistics? In many cases the victim does not want to stay in an unsupervised property where their ex-partner can pop-over for a quick visit to vent their frustrations. Is Zappone using the homeless numbers to push the domestic abuse agenda?

Politics :x


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 Post subject: Re: Grappling with the housing crisis: Fresh approaches need
PostPosted: Mon Nov 26, 2018 11:45 am 
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More than 1 in 3 15-year-olds in Ireland is an immigrant, ahead of France, UK and Germany.
1 in 3 on social housing lists is migrant.
1 in 3 new homeless is a migrant.
1 in 3 live in consistent poverty.

Any idea where Gemma O'Doherty gets these figures?


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 Post subject: Re: Grappling with the housing crisis: Fresh approaches need
PostPosted: Mon Nov 26, 2018 4:18 pm 
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temene wrote:
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More than 1 in 3 15-year-olds in Ireland is an immigrant, ahead of France, UK and Germany.
1 in 3 on social housing lists is migrant.
1 in 3 new homeless is a migrant.
1 in 3 live in consistent poverty.

Any idea where Gemma O'Doherty gets these figures?



Table 2.9 here for the housing lists point :

https://www.housing.gov.ie/sites/defaul ... ndings.pdf


This shows that 25% of 'Households' on the Social Housing lists in 2018 are non nationals - I don't know which arse cheek she scratched to get the 1 in 3 figure from. Individuals are not disaggregated in housing assessments as far as I know.

If she was looking to go full racist on that stat she would discover 6.9% of Households applying are headed by a non EEA national and a whopping 484 households headed by a refugee are on SH lists out of a national total of 78K households. I presume this doesn't lend itself to whatever cockamamie agenda she is peddling this week.

is 25% unacceptably high? given immigrants are presumably more likely to be in low income employment and be of family forming age- notwithstanding the fact that Irish people in other EEA countries have reciprocal rights to go on a housing waiting lists.

Maybe next week she can start a 'kick paddy out of his Camden high rise' twitter stream.............


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 Post subject: Re: Grappling with the housing crisis: Fresh approaches need
PostPosted: Mon Nov 26, 2018 10:59 pm 
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tommyt wrote:
temene wrote:
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More than 1 in 3 15-year-olds in Ireland is an immigrant, ahead of France, UK and Germany.
1 in 3 on social housing lists is migrant.
1 in 3 new homeless is a migrant.
1 in 3 live in consistent poverty.

Any idea where Gemma O'Doherty gets these figures?



Table 2.9 here for the housing lists point :

https://www.housing.gov.ie/sites/defaul ... ndings.pdf


This shows that 25% of 'Households' on the Social Housing lists in 2018 are non nationals - I don't know which arse cheek she scratched to get the 1 in 3 figure from. Individuals are not disaggregated in housing assessments as far as I know.
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You're looking in the wrong hole. As is obvious from the graphic that she tweeted, this number is from an OECD survey on education and migrant children. Here's a full-size version.

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What really distinguishes Ireland is the number of returning foreign-borns i.e. children of returning Irish emigrants. But never mind because that might be the start of a reasonable discussion about migration and you'll never get that online. :roll:


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 Post subject: Re: Grappling with the housing crisis: Fresh approaches need
PostPosted: Tue Nov 27, 2018 2:30 pm 
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Lefournier3 wrote:
What really distinguishes Ireland is the number of returning foreign-borns i.e. children of returning Irish emigrants. But never mind because that might be the start of a reasonable discussion about migration and you'll never get that online. :roll:


Last year foreign born mothers had 27% of the children here. You can splutter all you want about a few percentage points but its certainly notable a mono-ethnic country just at the turn of the century going down this path with not only no public consultation but a media aghast at the Irish discussing their own self interest.
21K non EEA nationals entered Ireland in the last 12 months net, 120K non Irish given the piece of toilet paper that is now our citizenship over the last few years, in the midst of a housing crisis?, you have then the govt organising all sorts of scab migrant labour for local gombeen men in this country and builders on about getting more non-EEA cheap labour to "fix" the housing crisis. Greasy till merchants and slumlords run Ireland.


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 Post subject: Re: Grappling with the housing crisis: Fresh approaches need
PostPosted: Tue Nov 27, 2018 4:22 pm 
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Bubblecovery wrote:
Lefournier3 wrote:
What really distinguishes Ireland is the number of returning foreign-borns i.e. children of returning Irish emigrants. But never mind because that might be the start of a reasonable discussion about migration and you'll never get that online. :roll:


ou have then the govt organising all sorts of scab migrant labour for local gombeen men in this country and builders on about getting more non-EEA cheap labour to "fix" the housing crisis. Greasy till merchants and slumlords run Ireland.


Touché!


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 Post subject: Re: Grappling with the housing crisis: Fresh approaches need
PostPosted: Tue Nov 27, 2018 8:54 pm 
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Bubblecovery wrote:
Lefournier3 wrote:
.... But never mind because that might be the start of a reasonable discussion about migration and you'll never get that online. :roll:


Last year foreign born mothers had 27% of the children here. You can splutter all you want about a few percentage points but its certainly notable a mono-ethnic country just at the turn of the century going down this path with not only no public consultation but a media aghast at the Irish discussing their own self interest.
21K non EEA nationals entered Ireland in the last 12 months net, 120K non Irish given the piece of toilet paper that is now our citizenship over the last few years, in the midst of a housing crisis?, you have then the govt organising all sorts of scab migrant labour for local gombeen men in this country and builders on about getting more non-EEA cheap labour to "fix" the housing crisis. Greasy till merchants and slumlords run Ireland.


I rest my case.


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