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 Post subject: Re: Grappling with the housing crisis: Fresh approaches need
PostPosted: Mon May 28, 2018 2:58 pm 
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Was the CGT exmeptin not amended in the past 12 months so that the 7 year rule no longer applies to the REITs/American investors?


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 Post subject: Re: Grappling with the housing crisis: Fresh approaches need
PostPosted: Mon May 28, 2018 3:09 pm 
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So the referendum is done and the distraction that it provided the Govt with has largely passed. The talk of legislation will take up more airtime and of course, the long summer holidays for our politicians is around the corner.
And from Sept to the end of Oct, it's largely budget19 on the agenda with the possibility of an election soon after.

Will the housing situation remain largely off the agenda for the next 9 months or so, the occasional DAFT report apart? Will Eoghan Murphy see out his time in the Dept in much the same manner as those who went before him...lots of photo ops but nada to show for it before passing the buck to the next reluctant but ambitious TD?


There are four single bed houses on the corner of carysfort ave and the (former) blackrock bypass that are social housing. only saw one occupied.

the govt is sitting pretty. and for more distractions, there is the presidential election and the the other two amendments to the constitution. I wonder who pulls the plug on this giver

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 Post subject: Re: Grappling with the housing crisis: Fresh approaches need
PostPosted: Tue May 29, 2018 9:13 am 
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RTE trying to shift the focus back to housing to some degree.

Joe Duffy show yesterday had Boucher-Hates standing in- he suggested on a few occasions that the Citizens Assembly should be brought back to look at areas such as housing, health service and direct provision. He mentioned housing a few times to 2 former members of the Assembly and they thought it would be a good idea.
The 9pm news last night had a report from Gardiner St in Dublin 1 where a lot of families live in hostel accomm. 2 young Dublin men complaining that they've had to share the 1 room with their respective families for a few years now and no sign of a house yet. 1 single Dublin mother who has to drop her child off to school on the Sth side which means a lot of hanging around for the day until the kid has finished school but it looks like she is about to get keys to a house.


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 Post subject: Re: Grappling with the housing crisis: Fresh approaches need
PostPosted: Thu Jun 07, 2018 2:07 pm 
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33% of those studied who presented as homeless in 2016/17 in Dublin were foreign nationals and this is expected to rise further due to Brexit!
(2/3's of that 33% are from outside the EU!)

https://www.rte.ie/news/ireland/2018/06 ... -homeless/
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A working group has been set up to prepare for a possible influx of foreign people ending up homeless in Dublin after Brexit.
Dublin City Council set up the internal group as the numbers of foreign-nationals becoming homeless are already increasing.
It comes as a new study shows foreign nationals being one of the groups most vulnerable to homeless along with lone parents and larger families...
...The report commissioned by the Dublin Region Homeless Executive studied 1,878 families who presented as homeless in 2016 and 2017.
It found that 66% were lone parent families, compared to 24% in the general population, while 14% had four or more children, compared to 7% generally.
It said 33% were foreign-born, compared to 12% in the country as a whole.
The foreign-born proportion was made up of 21% from outside the EU and 12% from other European Union states.


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 Post subject: Re: Grappling with the housing crisis: Fresh approaches need
PostPosted: Thu Jun 07, 2018 8:19 pm 
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FreeFallin wrote:
33% of those studied who presented as homeless in 2016/17 in Dublin were foreign nationals and this is expected to rise further due to Brexit!
(2/3's of that 33% are from outside the EU!)

https://www.rte.ie/news/ireland/2018/06 ... -homeless/
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A working group has been set up to prepare for a possible influx of foreign people ending up homeless in Dublin after Brexit.
Dublin City Council set up the internal group as the numbers of foreign-nationals becoming homeless are already increasing.
It comes as a new study shows foreign nationals being one of the groups most vulnerable to homeless along with lone parents and larger families...
...The report commissioned by the Dublin Region Homeless Executive studied 1,878 families who presented as homeless in 2016 and 2017.
It found that 66% were lone parent families, compared to 24% in the general population, while 14% had four or more children, compared to 7% generally.
It said 33% were foreign-born, compared to 12% in the country as a whole.
The foreign-born proportion was made up of 21% from outside the EU and 12% from other European Union states.


Isn't it more the case that foreign nationals are arriving in the country "presenting" as homeless? Different thing altogether. And the notion that Brexit will result in a large influx of foreign homeless is bizarre and tells you all you need to know about the lack of enforcement of our immigration and residency rules.


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 Post subject: Re: Grappling with the housing crisis: Fresh approaches need
PostPosted: Sun Jun 10, 2018 1:06 pm 
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House prices will continue rising until 2021
ESRI estimates 8%-9% this year, 4%-7% in 2019


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 Post subject: Re: Grappling with the housing crisis: Fresh approaches need
PostPosted: Fri Jun 15, 2018 10:50 am 
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Minister gets hands on with plastic yesterday, whilst telling untruths about 'phantom' houses
https://twitter.com/MurphyEoghan/status ... 0912017415


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 Post subject: Re: Grappling with the housing crisis: Fresh approaches need
PostPosted: Tue Jun 26, 2018 9:05 am 
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 Post subject: Re: Grappling with the housing crisis: Fresh approaches need
PostPosted: Tue Jun 26, 2018 9:57 am 
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temene wrote:

Newstalk and under PC presenter Johnathan Healy will be 'covering' this story after 10am

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Keely moved to Ireland when she was 15. Her mum, who is originally from Ireland, met her father in Essex in England. Her mum moved the family back to Ireland and Keely has lived in Cork ever since.
Her family members are not in accommodation where they could help Keely out.
She also previously tried living with her partner Richard – who has three kids with Keely and four other children – but the situation wasn’t working due to the large mix of kids....
...A distressed Keely said she has had no trouble accessing rent allowances or other homeless services but that the problem is that due to the size of her clan, smaller family are often given precedence.....
....She added: “I am hoping it will spur things along, because I have tried everything else and nothing seems to be working.
“This is literally my last resort. I am not a publicity person. I would usually be quite shy, I don’t even like talking on the phone really, but I just felt like I had to do something.

How did Kitty Holland miss this story!


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 Post subject: Re: Grappling with the housing crisis: Fresh approaches need
PostPosted: Tue Jun 26, 2018 11:52 am 
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The housing situation in Dublin has interesting spillover effects. You are seeing this with the generation that did the leaving cert in small town Ireland and left to go to college in 2008, 10 years back.

Many did their courses and got jobs as professionals in Dublin. Now the wheel is turning full circle.

In a town out in in East Galway where it was difficult to recruit a few years ago a large number are jacking in their FULL time jobs in Dublin and moving back home. They have given up.

1. The pharmacies have no problems getting locums or pharmacists, they are fleeing Dublin hospitals that only pay €30k a year to 5 year qualified professionals. They are better off locuming and staying with the mammy at home....and after Mammy obligingly puts them on the insurance as named drivers of course. :)
2. The local schools are seeing full time Dublin teachers applying in droves, often for fractional posts sometimes as little as 12 hours instead of the 22 hours they have full time in Dublin. They cannot afford to live there with full time jobs and have no notion of ever affording their own houses and are quite happy to take fewer hours outside Dublin because, again, they can afford it as they are back home.

This loss of talent is unsustainable in Dublin, it simply cannot continue. The entire social fabric is heading for collapse within 3-4 years unless accommodation comes onstream and the likes of Guards, Nurses, Teachers and Health Professionals can afford to live in Dublin (renting not buying of course).

In short, this is an emergency way beyond homelessness now. Google and Amazon gigs won't keep the schools open.

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 Post subject: Re: Grappling with the housing crisis: Fresh approaches need
PostPosted: Tue Jun 26, 2018 12:19 pm 
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Well indeed. A city as expensive as Paris where Pharmacists are paid anything like €30k with 5 years post qual experience is heading for a heavy fall. Political fallout from this will be interesting in the next few years.


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 Post subject: Re: Grappling with the housing crisis: Fresh approaches need
PostPosted: Tue Jun 26, 2018 12:29 pm 
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FreeFallin wrote:
temene wrote:

Newstalk and under PC presenter Johnathan Healy will be 'covering' this story after 10am

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Keely moved to Ireland when she was 15. Her mum, who is originally from Ireland, met her father in Essex in England. Her mum moved the family back to Ireland and Keely has lived in Cork ever since.
Her family members are not in accommodation where they could help Keely out.
She also previously tried living with her partner Richard – who has three kids with Keely and four other children – but the situation wasn’t working due to the large mix of kids....
...A distressed Keely said she has had no trouble accessing rent allowances or other homeless services but that the problem is that due to the size of her clan, smaller family are often given precedence.....
....She added: “I am hoping it will spur things along, because I have tried everything else and nothing seems to be working.
“This is literally my last resort. I am not a publicity person. I would usually be quite shy, I don’t even like talking on the phone really, but I just felt like I had to do something.

How did Kitty Holland miss this story!


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 Post subject: Re: Grappling with the housing crisis: Fresh approaches need
PostPosted: Tue Jun 26, 2018 2:05 pm 
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2. The local schools are seeing full time Dublin teachers applying in droves, often for fractional posts sometimes as little as 12 hours instead of the 22 hours they have full time in Dublin. They cannot afford to live there with full time jobs and have no notion of ever affording their own houses and are quite happy to take fewer hours outside Dublin because, again, they can afford it as they are back home.


A relative who graduated in that time as a teacher was telling me that in her London school there were over 20 fresh Irish graduates teaching there and it did make me wonder, are we actually producing too many teachers?

It's not like immigration into Ireland stopped during the bust years, some industries sailed right through.

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 Post subject: Re: Grappling with the housing crisis: Fresh approaches need
PostPosted: Wed Jun 27, 2018 10:13 am 
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Law Society calls for revamp of Fair Deal to boost housing stock

https://www.irishtimes.com/business/eco ... -1.3544895

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The society said the way the Fair Deal scheme is currently structured makes it less attractive for a homeowner going into a nursing home, or their beneficiaries, to either sell their home, or rent it.

Under the rules as they stand, selling the property would see its full value assessed as part of the financial means of the nursing home resident and go to meet the cost of their care.

By holding on to the property, vacant, only a percentage of the property value is assessed as means and only over the first three years of care. This sum is not payable until the property is sold after the nursing home resident’s death.

If rented, any income from the rent of the house is not paid to the Fair Deal applicant.

There are currently about 23,500 people availing of the Fair Deal scheme in Ireland.


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 Post subject: Re: Grappling with the housing crisis: Fresh approaches need
PostPosted: Wed Jun 27, 2018 10:58 am 
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The public service will soon have to grapple with the fact that:

1) it pays the same countrywide, even though housing costs vary more than they ever have
2) starting salaries are generally quite good, but very slow to increase

This leaves most public service workers in the home-buying demographic (30-35) priced out of most of Dublin.

For the rest of the country, it is generally quite a good living.


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