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PostPosted: Tue Aug 28, 2018 1:26 pm 
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 Post subject: Re: Grappling with the housing crisis: Fresh approaches need
PostPosted: Tue Aug 28, 2018 1:42 pm 
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Did anyone hear Minister Eoghan Murphy on Miriam earlier?
He was completely out of his depth, wouldn't answer queries and sounded relieved that the basic questioning was over.


Another pure spoofer following in his preecessor's footsteps

Homeless numbers expected to rise, Minister says
Eoghan Murphy says increase in people presenting and supply are reasons for hike

https://www.irishtimes.com/news/social- ... -1.3610168

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 Post subject: Re: Grappling with the housing crisis: Fresh approaches need
PostPosted: Wed Sep 05, 2018 10:08 am 
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Minister Eoghan Murphy was on PatKennyNewstalk for 25 minutes. Waffling as usual.
He stated that "we need to restructure the entire housing system in this country" to prevent the current crisis happening again.
Any idea what that means?


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 Post subject: Re: Grappling with the housing crisis: Fresh approaches need
PostPosted: Wed Sep 05, 2018 10:22 am 
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temene wrote:
Minister Eoghan Murphy was on PatKennyNewstalk for 25 minutes. Waffling as usual.
He stated that "we need to restructure the entire housing system in this country" to prevent the current crisis happening again.
Any idea what that means?


Huh..Housing system?!? What's that?

One thing is for sure. Statements like that out such players as non-leader material. So we can be thankful for that heads up.

So... lets see. Leadership. None. Why? No vision. Why? Failure of imagination? Why? Fear? Why? No Leaders. Why? No Ireland. Why? No Leaders.

Why?

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 Post subject: Re: Grappling with the housing crisis: Fresh approaches need
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Huh..Housing system?!? What's that?
One thing is for sure. Statements like that out such players as non-leader material. So we can be thankful for that heads up.
So... lets see. Leadership. None. Why? No vision. Why? Failure of imagination? Why? Fear? Why? No Leaders. Why? No Ireland. Why? No Leaders. Why?

It's FG parlance
“There is no system more broken than the system of housing in this country. The system is completely broken and needs to be re-built.” - Richard Bruton, Minister for Education, 09/06/16
"The entire housing system needs to be restructured to stop it from breaking again" - Eoghan Murphy, Minister for Housing, 05/09/18


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Dublin's homelessness crisis jars with narrative of Irish economic boom

https://www.theguardian.com/cities/2018 ... nomic-boom


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Dublin's homelessness crisis jars with narrative of Irish economic boom

https://www.theguardian.com/cities/2018 ... nomic-boom

Surprised they didn't show the photo of Margaret and her kids in Tallaght Garda station. Would have been the cherry on top of a piece which gave a big mention to the 'Brazilian Left Front'


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Developer Michael O'Flynn on Sean O'Rourke to propose a solution to the housing crisis. I think this link will work, but you can search RTE Radio 1 for Sean O'Rourke, Wed morning.

https://www.rte.ie/radio1/today-with-se ... #102918669

Basically he's proposing a use-it-or-lose-it approach to new zoning, where land owners and developers would have to produce joint plans to build decent houses in a sensible time frame. He attributes the current bottleneck to high land prices and land hoarding.

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The same Michael O'Flynn who hoarded his finished properties for several years until the market "recovered". Notably the Elysian but also various sites around Cork city.


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 Post subject: Re: Grappling with the housing crisis: Fresh approaches need
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Its quite clear that the system around the provision of housing as it stands currently simply doesn't work. It hasnt worked (bar for a few) for decades.

Given that shelter is a basic human need there is a strong argument for the provision of (at least a substantial element) same to be taken out of the hands of private providers and into the public sphere....along the lines of the provision of free education up to secondary level in the 1960s or whenever. It didnt mean that private schools ceased to exist. It just meant that others got a chance at education as well....and society and the economy benefited over the longer term. Some industries may benefit from privatisation but some simply do not (British Rail is another that springs to mind).

The inevitable whingers need to be dealt with in the same manner as taxi drivers around the time of deregulation. And such action doesn't need to be the wealth apocalypse that the vested interests will claim it to be as we all know that there are parallel markets operating alongside each other across different areas and regions of the country. Again, the public v private school analogy works in this instance.

Its likely that it would ultimately be in the vested interests own interests to see some public solution arrived at because to continue along the current course will likely result in the political left gaining considerable ground and possibly power at some point in the future. At that point all bets will be off in every sense.

Question for those in the know. When is the last time that there was a non-dysfunctional operational housing market in Ireland? 40 years ago? Longer? Its ridiculous.

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Just to note on the O'Flynn proposal, when Sean O'Rourke pressed him on how much it would reduce new house prices he suggested 10-15%. O'Rourke rightly pointed out that was no more than a year's increase for some of the recent years -- not exactly earth shattering.

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 Post subject: Re: Grappling with the housing crisis: Fresh approaches need
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The same Michael O'Flynn who hoarded his finished properties for several years until the market "recovered". Notably the Elysian but also various sites around Cork city.

The fit out of the Elysian wasn't completed until relatively recently due to funding issues. Same situation with many of the other estates. It has been claimed in the past that NAMA would not fund the fit out or completion.
https://www.irishtimes.com/business/fin ... -1.2515711


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 Post subject: Re: Grappling with the housing crisis: Fresh approaches need
PostPosted: Fri Sep 07, 2018 12:28 am 
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Its quite clear that the system around the provision of housing as it stands currently simply doesn't work. It hasnt worked (bar for a few) for decades.

Given that shelter is a basic human need there is a strong argument for the provision of (at least a substantial element) same to be taken out of the hands of private providers and into the public sphere....along the lines of the provision of free education up to secondary level in the 1960s or whenever. It didnt mean that private schools ceased to exist. It just meant that others got a chance at education as well....and society and the economy benefited over the longer term. Some industries may benefit from privatisation but some simply do not (British Rail is another that springs to mind).

The inevitable whingers need to be dealt with in the same manner as taxi drivers around the time of deregulation. And such action doesn't need to be the wealth apocalypse that the vested interests will claim it to be as we all know that there are parallel markets operating alongside each other across different areas and regions of the country. Again, the public v private school analogy works in this instance.

Its likely that it would ultimately be in the vested interests own interests to see some public solution arrived at because to continue along the current course will likely result in the political left gaining considerable ground and possibly power at some point in the future. At that point all bets will be off in every sense.

Question for those in the know. When is the last time that there was a non-dysfunctional operational housing market in Ireland? 40 years ago? Longer? Its ridiculous.


I'd say in Dublin it is 30 years

This is from the Help to Hoard thread a year ago. I was struck at the time by how worked up Eoghan was


https://www.thepropertypin.com/viewtopi ... s+#p920145

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There was some interesting items on Radio 1 today. An eloquent secondary school child spoke on Morning Ireland about how terrible it was to be homeless and she cried. It was replayed on the News at One and Eoghan Murphy responded saying "that interview changed everything" "we must do more"

It begs a few questions
- it takes an eloquent middle class sounding child to get through to Eoghan Murphy ?
- is he going to rescind/override any of the Help To Hoard policies instituted by Noonan ?
- Are Fine Gael actually going to radically interfere with private property rights ?


It turned out "we must do more" was in no way a call to interfere with private property rights. God knows what he thought he meant

You can talk new builds all you want. Personally I don't take anyone seriously on the issue unless they mention upfront the elephant in the room - immigration over the last 20 years and all its effects from competition in the low end of the private rental sector, to expectations of "forever homes" in social housing etc


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 Post subject: Re: Grappling with the housing crisis: Fresh approaches need
PostPosted: Fri Sep 07, 2018 10:00 am 
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It’s not a housing crisis. It’s an apartment crisis

https://www.irishtimes.com/opinion/it-s ... -1.3620944


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