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 Post subject: Re: The Census 2016 Thread
PostPosted: Mon Oct 15, 2018 1:42 pm 
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Salamander wrote:
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brazillians took the jobs that poles dont want... Fake students were very popular employees at mcdonalds in last few years.

I think it all started to be bigger when UK tight down student visas, e.g. put restrictions on work hours.

Fake students got an amnesty in 2011 and there's another one coming in the months ahead that will turn 5,500 (+ 000's more through family reunification) from fake to fully paid up visa holders/social welfare entitled to stay on legally in Ireland.

At what cost to the taxpayer may I ask?

Huh? I personally would expect these people will be net contributors to the exchequer.


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 Post subject: Re: The Census 2016 Thread
PostPosted: Mon Oct 15, 2018 1:50 pm 
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DSE3Br wrote:
Salamander wrote:
FreeFallin wrote:
mightyz wrote:
brazillians took the jobs that poles dont want... Fake students were very popular employees at mcdonalds in last few years.

I think it all started to be bigger when UK tight down student visas, e.g. put restrictions on work hours.

Fake students got an amnesty in 2011 and there's another one coming in the months ahead that will turn 5,500 (+ 000's more through family reunification) from fake to fully paid up visa holders/social welfare entitled to stay on legally in Ireland.

At what cost to the taxpayer may I ask?

Huh? I personally would expect these people will be net contributors to the exchequer.


Not the right way of looking at it in the current currency fiat / central-bank-eurosim.

The question is always Why?

Why does an illegal action require a blanket amnesty?

Why was it illegal in the first instance?

Why now?

Why not other crimes?

That's for starters.

The only people who can answer these questions are the people who push it and they have in a way answered it very clearly with the "net contributors", straw man and faulty reasoning.

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 Post subject: Re: The Census 2016 Thread
PostPosted: Mon Oct 15, 2018 3:57 pm 
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DSE3Br wrote:
Salamander wrote:
FreeFallin wrote:
mightyz wrote:
brazillians took the jobs that poles dont want... Fake students were very popular employees at mcdonalds in last few years.

I think it all started to be bigger when UK tight down student visas, e.g. put restrictions on work hours.

Fake students got an amnesty in 2011 and there's another one coming in the months ahead that will turn 5,500 (+ 000's more through family reunification) from fake to fully paid up visa holders/social welfare entitled to stay on legally in Ireland.

At what cost to the taxpayer may I ask?

Huh? I personally would expect these people will be net contributors to the exchequer.

I cannot see how people on the minimum wage are net contributors (over a lifetime) ,especially when family reunification takes place, at the tax rates/social insurance levels we have in this country


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 Post subject: Re: The Census 2016 Thread
PostPosted: Mon Oct 15, 2018 4:04 pm 
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FreeFallin wrote:
I cannot see how people on the minimum wage are net contributors (over a lifetime), especially when family reunification takes place, at the tax rates/social insurance levels we have in this country

Immigrants are often on low wages because they are discriminated against in the employment market (for all interpretations of "discriminated", and for several reasons).

Regardless, they are almost certainly more "net contributors" than those born in the country who are or would be on similar wages, since their home country has paid for their unproductive childhood.

Immigration is good for tax and spending. That's one reason why politicians like it, plus it requires them to do nothing to make it happen.

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 Post subject: Re: The Census 2016 Thread
PostPosted: Mon Oct 15, 2018 8:39 pm 
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Eschatologist wrote:
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I cannot see how people on the minimum wage are net contributors (over a lifetime), especially when family reunification takes place, at the tax rates/social insurance levels we have in this country

Immigrants are often on low wages because they are discriminated against in the employment market (for all interpretations of "discriminated", and for several reasons).

Regardless, they are almost certainly more "net contributors" than those born in the country who are or would be on similar wages, since their home country has paid for their unproductive childhood.

Immigration is good for tax and spending. That's one reason why politicians like it, plus it requires them to do nothing to make it happen.


But here's going to be more than just those working in Ireland as a result of the latest amnesty. They're eligible for family reunification, social welfare, housing etc. There's no way that the lowly paid in situations like that or net contributors. It doesn't add up


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