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PostPosted: Wed Jan 31, 2018 1:33 pm 
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Dublin’s rental black market: Bunk beds, no contracts, overcrowding
Housing crisis has led to a surge in illicit rentals, some run by a firm with links to language schools
https://www.irishtimes.com/news/social- ... -1.3374207
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An unofficial rental black market of overcrowded properties is thriving in Dublin due to the shortage of affordable rental accommodation.
In such a market, overcrowded bunk-bed accommodation, no official contracts, and rent in cash only is the norm, with tenants predominantly from Brazil and Latin America. The vacancies are advertised in private Facebook groups, and some properties are run by a travel agency firm that works with several English language schools.
Rents range from €300-€400 a month in most cases, which will get you a bunk on a bunk bed in a single room that can have between three and five other people sleeping in it. Flats and houses can have between 11 and 14 or more people staying in them.
The Irish Times spoke to a number of tenants, mainly English language students from Brazil, unofficially renting under the radar. Tenants only get their deposit back if they find a replacement, who pays their deposit to the outgoing tenant. This means renters are responsible for advertising vacancies and organising viewings. In most cases properties are advertised in private Facebook groups without the address.
Henrique Lima (26) moved to Ireland in August from Brazil to study in an English language college. He has just moved out of a first-floor flat at 31-32 Cumberland Street North, Dublin 1, which he shared with 10 people.
He had a bunk in a small room that had two bunk beds, two wardrobes, and little room for anything else. The rent was about €300, no contract, and he said the property was considered good compared to some accommodation he had seen...
..The landlord, Riccardo Acchione, lives in the flat and sleeps in a double bed with his partner, but has added a bunk bed into his own room as well to rent out. Acchione said he had not received any complaints from tenants about the accommodation....
...Dilane Kucun (24) recently moved back to France and had been renting a bunk in a room with three other people. The address of the house was 9 Ravensdale Park in Kimmage, Dublin 12, with 14 tenants living there. The property was rented and run by a travel agency, Vida de Intercambista, that recruits students from Brazil for English language schools in Ireland...
...Kucun said they did not have enough space for their belongings and “in the morning it was very difficult to get ready”. The rent was €290 a month, cash and no contract.
“In the house they have a rat because they have a garbage problem,” Kucun said, as the bins regularly overflow each week before being collected. She said there were five bedrooms in the house, and just two bathrooms, one of which she said was in poor condition. You “don’t have any privacy”, she said. The tenancy is officially registered with the Residential Tenancies Board (RTB).

This is everywhere. Where are the LA's and their inspections?
There's a tragedy coming in terms of a fire or something like that and then we'll have an investigation/commission of enquiry etc. Sickening that this is allowed to go on in 21st century Ireland
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PostPosted: Wed Jan 31, 2018 1:45 pm 
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Councils simply don't investigate. They simply refuse to do their job and there is zero accountability. And our elected reps don't want to know.

An example in Galway of 8 bunks x €100pw = €€€s for some landlord.
http://www.daft.ie/3991926


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 Post subject: Re: 40 tenants in one house
PostPosted: Wed Jan 31, 2018 2:13 pm 
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temene wrote:
Councils simply don't investigate. They simply refuse to do their job and there is zero accountability. And our elected reps don't want to know.

An example in Galway of 8 bunks x €100pw = €€€s for some landlord.
http://www.daft.ie/3991926

What chances the Revenue are cross referencing tax returns to DAFT ads?


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PostPosted: Wed Jan 31, 2018 2:32 pm 
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The Irish Government has agreed to extend the Third Level Graduate Scheme, for non-EU/EEA students at level 9 and above of the National Framework of Qualifications. The new permission will double the ‘stay back option’ for masters and PhD students from 12 months to 24 months. This will allow eligible graduates who have studied in Irish higher education institutions and whose award is granted by a recognised Irish awarding body at Masters or PhD level to remain in Ireland for two years to seek employment.


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Student Accommodation in Ireland

College students have a wide choice when it comes to accommodation. Some students choose to stay in on-campus accommodation, which is available in many colleges. On-Campus accommodation is always in demand it can be quite expensive and it is difficult to find. Student Accommodation in Ireland

All universities have halls of residence, generally apartments of 4 to 8 students, with a private bedroom and shared kitchen, living room and bathroom. On campus accommodation must be paid in 2 installments, in September and in February. In most campus accommodation, it is not possible to pay your rent on a monthly basis. You will usually have to pay a deposit of one month’s rent in advance, refunded when you leave. Utilities such as heating are usually extra, although several halls of residence include heat and electricity in their initial charge and deduct payment for usage in excess of the average allowed for from the deposit when you leave Universities and colleges will have further details about their accommodation and how to apply.

Students who want to be totally independent choose self-catering, rented accommodation. Students pay their rent monthly and in advance. At the beginning of a letting period you pay a deposit of one month's rent, which will be refunded when you leave (provided you have not caused any damage to the premises). The normal length of a lease is 9 or 12 months. If you break a lease without notice or if you do not adhere to the terms of the lease, you will lose your deposit. Notice of one month should be given before you leave the premises.



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 Post subject: Re: 40 tenants in one house
PostPosted: Thu Feb 01, 2018 10:29 am 
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FreeFallin wrote:
What chances the Revenue are cross referencing tax returns to DAFT ads?

The Minister has heard you.
Housing Minister Eoghan Murphy has said he is open to the idea of making it an offence for websites to accept advertisements for dodgy rental homes.
He admitted there is a need to increase inspections so that slum landlords are put out of the market.
"We want to get to a point where a property is inspected once every four years approximately," Mr Murphy told the Dáil.
https://www.independent.ie/business/per ... 54904.html


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 Post subject: Re: 40 tenants in one house
PostPosted: Thu Feb 01, 2018 11:29 am 
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temene wrote:
FreeFallin wrote:
What chances the Revenue are cross referencing tax returns to DAFT ads?

The Minister has heard you.
Housing Minister Eoghan Murphy has said he is open to the idea of making it an offence for websites to accept advertisements for dodgy rental homes.
He admitted there is a need to increase inspections so that slum landlords are put out of the market.
"We want to get to a point where a property is inspected once every four years approximately," Mr Murphy told the Dáil.
https://www.independent.ie/business/per ... 54904.html

No he hasn't. Just another soundbite from a Minister very fond of them (and fond of action pics of himself too).
This is more of nothing.

Get the Rev Comm's in...they're the only body in this country that scares most people


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PostPosted: Mon Feb 05, 2018 1:01 pm 
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The Health and Safety issue is simply an extension of the real issue which is the fact that there is a lack of supply for an expanding population, a population that is continuing to expand due to a number of factors, chief amongst them being the importation of human beings from other countries.

Is anyone surprised that a majority of those living in such conditions appear to come from a non-visa required country? ie Brazil

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 Post subject: Re: 40 tenants in one house
PostPosted: Mon Feb 05, 2018 1:47 pm 
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The Cabinteely case that sort of kicked-off all these stories about overcrowding in Irish rentals is still maiking the papers

https://www.independent.ie/irish-news/6 ... 52144.html
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The landlords of a house where up to 70 tenants once lived have yet to pay the local authority’s legal costs of up to €60,000, Independent.ie can reveal.
Christian Carter and Richard Stanley were ordered by the Circuit Civil Court last February to pay Dun Laoghaire Rathdown County Council’s legal costs after it was revealed how The Pines, Cabinteely, Co Dublin was being dangerously overcrowded.
The matter was brought before the courts following an undercover investigation by Independent.ie.
A spokesperson for the council said it is still "pursuing the recovery of its legal costs from the defendants in this matter".
It was estimated in court that their legal expenses would run close to the €60,000 mark....
...Carter, who is involved in the running of up to 40 properties across Dublin, could not be reached for comment as his two original mobile numbers are no longer in use.
Richard Stanley (86) could also not be reached for comment.
The Circuit Civil Court heard that Carter had been paying Richard Stanley’s son, Dermot, €2,000 a month by bankers order and €2,000 in cash to sublet The Pines.
Judge Linnane heard that in turn Dermot Stanley, who lives in London, was paying his father Richard, who owns the house, €2,000 a month.


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 Post subject: Re: 40 tenants in one house
PostPosted: Mon Feb 05, 2018 2:12 pm 
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Poacher turned gamekeeper wrote:
The Health and Safety issue is simply an extension of the real issue which is the fact that there is a lack of supply for an expanding population, a population that is continuing to expand due to a number of factors, chief amongst them being the importation of human beings from other countries.

Is anyone surprised that a majority of those living in such conditions appear to come from a non-visa required country? ie Brazil


Leo reckons we need to shove in a bit, as we will have a million more within a generation. Healthy numbers for Landlords if it comes to fruition. What all these souls will be doing with the Robot and AI agenda being pushed is another matter. How they afford spiralling rents is beyond me. I'm sure Leo & Co. have the answer somewhere.

Taoiseach says National Planning Framework must be 'realistic'

https://www.rte.ie/news/economy/2018/0205/938359-cabinet-to-meet-on-national-planning-framework/
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Dublin would, he said, have to "grow up" and not "out".

"If we don't have a plan, or a plan that is not credible, then we will just continue on the same trajectory that we are on now and in that scenario everyone is a loser," he said.

Opposition politicians have been highly critical of a draft version of the framework accusing it of leaving rural Ireland and towns outside of the main cities behind.

Over the next 25 years Ireland is expected to have an additional one million people, to need an extra 600,000 jobs, and half a million homes, while the number of people aged over 65 will double.


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PostPosted: Mon Feb 05, 2018 2:27 pm 
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That 1 million figure has been bandied about today by Politicians and the Media like snuff at a wake. It's already been accepted as a fact, no questioning whatsoever.
Were the Irish people asked if they wanted this?
Is there any meat on the bones of where these 1m will come from?
What are the jobs they're coming for?

It's just unbelievable watching this in play


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PostPosted: Mon Feb 05, 2018 2:42 pm 
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FreeFallin wrote:
Is there any meat on the bones of where these 1m will come from?

There's a load of the projections on the CSO website if you're interested.

http://www.cso.ie/en/statistics/populat ... 2016-2046/

...but you seem to have jumped to the conclusion that it's inward migration of foreign types, despite not having bothered to look at the detail.

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What are the jobs they're coming for?

That's not how employment works.

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PostPosted: Mon Feb 05, 2018 2:57 pm 
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Eschatologist wrote:
FreeFallin wrote:
Is there any meat on the bones of where these 1m will come from?

There's a load of the projections on the CSO website if you're interested.

http://www.cso.ie/en/statistics/populat ... 2016-2046/

...but you seem to have jumped to the conclusion that it's inward migration of foreign types, despite not having bothered to look at the detail.

FreeFallin wrote:
What are the jobs they're coming for?

That's not how employment works.

Ok, so a CSO report from 2013, that absolutely no one referenced in the media over the past few days that I heard/read, is what you use for your put down!

And from that report:
- a max migration ('of foreign types' as you so funnily put it) to increase the labour force by 300,000 tops (obviously there'll be more migrants than that as this is the labour force figure)
- fertility rates to stay the same or decrease, depending on the scenario.
- the number of OAP's will continue to increase

I'm struggling to see where the other 300k in the workforce comes from? OAP's to work for longer, less married women at home as the birth rate falls....
We're already at very high labour participation rate which this 2013 report then mentioned as being a source of more workers.

Or how it gets to this 1m figure being bandied about


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It comes from an ESRI report(Chapter 4) last October forecasting 640k - 1.1m population increase by 2030.
They project net immigration of 39k pa to 2021, followed by 28k pa after that. The report links the rise to Brexit, based on Ireland being the only English speaking country left in the EU after Brexit.


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PostPosted: Mon Feb 05, 2018 3:50 pm 
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temene wrote:
It comes from an ESRI report(Chapter 4) last October forecasting 640k - 1.1m population increase by 2030.
They project net immigration of 39k pa to 2021, followed by 28k pa after that. The report links the rise to Brexit, based on Ireland being the only English speaking country left in the EU after Brexit.

Thanks
So about 450k through immigration at the high end scenario.
With the rest of the 1.1m to come from people living longer and increased fertility rates which seems to be an unusual scenario in current Western societies.

Well lets hope they're better at predicting population trends than the politicians have proven to be in the past in this country!


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Plus the half a million population increase we have since 2006. Plan A firmly back on track. Like nothing happened.

Look it's nice and that, but yes we need a proper debate around all this. Given we will be asked to pick up the pieces if it all goes over the cliff again.


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