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 Post subject: 34 North Frederick Street eviction.
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34 North Fredrick St - everything you know/find about it this is the thread.

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 Post subject: Re: Grappling with the housing crisis: Fresh approaches need
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One man's 'attacking and evicting' is another man's 'removing on foot of a court order'


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 Post subject: Re: Grappling with the housing crisis: Fresh approaches need
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I don't think most of you lot appreciate that there is a huge number of people under 40, many of whom are in jobs, including many so called professionals, who have nothing to lose on this issue. Nada. And they are naturally open to any form of solution at present.


you are asserting that young professionals are involved in these illegal occupations?


I'm asserting that I'm acquainted with professional people, some of whom who have children in tow, who are at their wits end on the basis of them not being able to secure a place to live. Some have been forced to move home on more than one occasion over the past three years due to rent increases and other issuews with landlords.

I'm further asserting that such persons are past caring about the property rights of persons who appear intent on hoarding land and vacant premises across the city.

Make of this what you will but Ive a sense of where this is headed

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 Post subject: Re: Grappling with the housing crisis: Fresh approaches need
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One man's 'attacking and evicting' is another man's 'removing on foot of a court order'


That could be the case. Is there a court order in play? If you or anyone can dig and find something in that respect please post here.

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 Post subject: Re: 34 North Frederick Street - rule of Law dead?
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http://www.thejournal.ie/overreaction-t ... 1-Sep2018/

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The men arrived at the property in Dublin city centre just before 7pm last night to remove the activists, who had been defying a court order to remain in the building.

Justice Michael Quinn granted Patricia Ní Greil, the owner of 34 North Frederick Street, Dublin 1, injunctions requiring persons unknown to vacate and cease trespassing and get out of the four-storey building on 28 August.


Of course a forced eviction is exactly what they were after and then the appropriate politicians (sinn fein especially, the irony) can get on their soapbox about the eviction, how heavy handed it was, etc etc


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 Post subject: Re: 34 North Frederick Street - rule of Law dead?
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cyrusir wrote:
http://www.thejournal.ie/overreaction-to-a-peaceful-occupation-actions-of-gardai-and-security-firm-condemned-4231211-Sep2018/

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The men arrived at the property in Dublin city centre just before 7pm last night to remove the activists, who had been defying a court order to remain in the building.

Justice Michael Quinn granted Patricia Ní Greil, the owner of 34 North Frederick Street, Dublin 1, injunctions requiring persons unknown to vacate and cease trespassing and get out of the four-storey building on 28 August.


Of course a forced eviction is exactly what they were after and then the appropriate politicians (sinn fein especially, the irony) can get on their soapbox about the eviction, how heavy handed it was, etc etc


Thanks for that. So some more question that spring to mind with some answers from the linked article:

How long were they in the property?

How long did it take to get the court order?

Who owns the building?

These are all interesting questions considering the very slack culture of eviction to date. Don't you think? :x

Some answers from the article:

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Justice Michael Quinn granted Patricia Ní Greil, the owner of 34 North Frederick Street, Dublin 1, injunctions requiring persons unknown to vacate and cease trespassing and get out of the four-storey building on 28 August.



Here is a TBTC Facebook page

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Take Back The City - Dublin - 23 August at 15:39 ·

Want the juicy gossip on the North Frederick Street ownership? Well look no further folks, you’re hearing it here first:

Can we get a drum-roll pleeease….

L.O.L just kidding but, we would like to formally introduce our family to the spotlight. So, ladies and gentleman, please put your hands together for our latest property hoarder expose and join us in welcoming to the table:

The McGreal Family.

So, who are the McGreal’s?

With any good plot, there are good characters and the same goes for our occupations, we like finding the slum-est, scum-est landlords of them all; in fairness to them though, they make it very easy for us – so credit where credit is due.

Anyway, back to the story: Patricia Ní Greil, aka Orla McGreal, legally owns number 34 North Fredrick Street. So, who is Orla? A freelance accountant and insurance intermediary, Orla is registered to the address 7 Sydenham Road, Ballsbridge, Dublin 4.

Interestingly, there are several other companies registered to this same address but none of which involved Orla herself – they do, however, involve a Colm McGreal and a Barbara Tracey. This includes an insurance company called McGreal Insurances, running from 1987-2003, to which Colm McGreal and Barbra McGreal were named as directors. Hmmm… are they related? If you do the maths, it seems to add up: they live in the same house, share the same surname (when it suits them) and also have the same trade.

As well as freelance accountancy and insurance intermediation, Orla has been involved in a number of humanitarian causes; working in Romania for a few years, and now a director of the Irish Environmental Conservation Organisation for Youth – UNESCO Clubs. Orla too was involved with Women for Election, a non-profit set – up to train women to enter politics. In her spare time, Orla likes to do a spot of yoga as hoarding empty houses can get awful stressful.

Back to the math, we are lead to believe that Colm McGreal and Barbara Tracey (or Barbara McGreal as she sometimes goes by) appear to be married. Barbara is a secondary school teacher, while Colm is an insurance intermediary and advisor. Colm and Barbara have been involved in various companies alongside their insurance business. All of these companies are property-related: buying, selling and managing real estate.

The information you can get from a quick google search, it always amazes us. Not to fall down the rabbit hole this late, it’s computers off and heads to the pillow while we leave you to ponder on this find:

Why is Orla’s name on the deeds of 34 North Frederick Street and why has this building been left empty for over three years?

Sweet dreams xox

https://www.facebook.com/dublincentralh ... 183655060/

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 Post subject: Re: 34 North Frederick Street eviction.
PostPosted: Wed Sep 12, 2018 12:52 pm 
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apparently they occupied on August 17th according to IT

https://www.irishtimes.com/news/social- ... -1.3626087

court order takes 11 days and then 14 days later they are evicted having ignored the court order.

seems fair enough


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 Post subject: Re: 34 North Frederick Street eviction.
PostPosted: Wed Sep 12, 2018 2:33 pm 
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Open Window wrote:
cyrusir wrote:
http://www.thejournal.ie/overreaction-to-a-peaceful-occupation-actions-of-gardai-and-security-firm-condemned-4231211-Sep2018/

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The men arrived at the property in Dublin city centre just before 7pm last night to remove the activists, who had been defying a court order to remain in the building.

Justice Michael Quinn granted Patricia Ní Greil, the owner of 34 North Frederick Street, Dublin 1, injunctions requiring persons unknown to vacate and cease trespassing and get out of the four-storey building on 28 August.


Of course a forced eviction is exactly what they were after and then the appropriate politicians (sinn fein especially, the irony) can get on their soapbox about the eviction, how heavy handed it was, etc etc


Thanks for that. So some more question that spring to mind with some answers from the linked article:

How long were they in the property?

How long did it take to get the court order?

Who owns the building?

These are all interesting questions considering the very slack culture of eviction to date. Don't you think? :x

Some answers from the article:

Quote:
Justice Michael Quinn granted Patricia Ní Greil, the owner of 34 North Frederick Street, Dublin 1, injunctions requiring persons unknown to vacate and cease trespassing and get out of the four-storey building on 28 August.



Here is a TBTC Facebook page

Quote:
Take Back The City - Dublin - 23 August at 15:39 ·

Want the juicy gossip on the North Frederick Street ownership? Well look no further folks, you’re hearing it here first:

Can we get a drum-roll pleeease….

L.O.L just kidding but, we would like to formally introduce our family to the spotlight. So, ladies and gentleman, please put your hands together for our latest property hoarder expose and join us in welcoming to the table:

The McGreal Family.

So, who are the McGreal’s?

With any good plot, there are good characters and the same goes for our occupations, we like finding the slum-est, scum-est landlords of them all; in fairness to them though, they make it very easy for us – so credit where credit is due.

Anyway, back to the story: Patricia Ní Greil, aka Orla McGreal, legally owns number 34 North Fredrick Street. So, who is Orla? A freelance accountant and insurance intermediary, Orla is registered to the address 7 Sydenham Road, Ballsbridge, Dublin 4.

Interestingly, there are several other companies registered to this same address but none of which involved Orla herself – they do, however, involve a Colm McGreal and a Barbara Tracey. This includes an insurance company called McGreal Insurances, running from 1987-2003, to which Colm McGreal and Barbra McGreal were named as directors. Hmmm… are they related? If you do the maths, it seems to add up: they live in the same house, share the same surname (when it suits them) and also have the same trade.

As well as freelance accountancy and insurance intermediation, Orla has been involved in a number of humanitarian causes; working in Romania for a few years, and now a director of the Irish Environmental Conservation Organisation for Youth – UNESCO Clubs. Orla too was involved with Women for Election, a non-profit set – up to train women to enter politics. In her spare time, Orla likes to do a spot of yoga as hoarding empty houses can get awful stressful.

Back to the math, we are lead to believe that Colm McGreal and Barbara Tracey (or Barbara McGreal as she sometimes goes by) appear to be married. Barbara is a secondary school teacher, while Colm is an insurance intermediary and advisor. Colm and Barbara have been involved in various companies alongside their insurance business. All of these companies are property-related: buying, selling and managing real estate.

The information you can get from a quick google search, it always amazes us. Not to fall down the rabbit hole this late, it’s computers off and heads to the pillow while we leave you to ponder on this find:

Why is Orla’s name on the deeds of 34 North Frederick Street and why has this building been left empty for over three years?

Sweet dreams xox

https://www.facebook.com/dublincentralh ... 183655060/


What is the point of this nonsense? Are they just shaming the McGreal family or is there something sinister going on ?

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 Post subject: Re: 34 North Frederick Street - rule of Law dead?
PostPosted: Wed Sep 12, 2018 2:40 pm 
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cyrusir wrote:
Of course a forced eviction is exactly what they were after and then the appropriate politicians (sinn fein especially, the irony) can get on their soapbox about the eviction, how heavy handed it was, etc etc


Bingo.
It's all about optics.

The odd thing is, there appear to be a lot of people willing to protest.
And they have support of people with money.

Can the two groups not come together and build ?
The protesters can put in the labour and their wealthy benefactors the money.


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 Post subject: Re: 34 North Frederick Street eviction.
PostPosted: Wed Sep 12, 2018 2:43 pm 
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Magpie wrote:
Open Window wrote:
cyrusir wrote:
http://www.thejournal.ie/overreaction-to-a-peaceful-occupation-actions-of-gardai-and-security-firm-condemned-4231211-Sep2018/

Quote:
The men arrived at the property in Dublin city centre just before 7pm last night to remove the activists, who had been defying a court order to remain in the building.

Justice Michael Quinn granted Patricia Ní Greil, the owner of 34 North Frederick Street, Dublin 1, injunctions requiring persons unknown to vacate and cease trespassing and get out of the four-storey building on 28 August.


Of course a forced eviction is exactly what they were after and then the appropriate politicians (sinn fein especially, the irony) can get on their soapbox about the eviction, how heavy handed it was, etc etc


Thanks for that. So some more question that spring to mind with some answers from the linked article:

How long were they in the property?

How long did it take to get the court order?

Who owns the building?

These are all interesting questions considering the very slack culture of eviction to date. Don't you think? :x

Some answers from the article:

Quote:
Justice Michael Quinn granted Patricia Ní Greil, the owner of 34 North Frederick Street, Dublin 1, injunctions requiring persons unknown to vacate and cease trespassing and get out of the four-storey building on 28 August.



Here is a TBTC Facebook page

Quote:
Take Back The City - Dublin - 23 August at 15:39 ·

Want the juicy gossip on the North Frederick Street ownership? Well look no further folks, you’re hearing it here first:

Can we get a drum-roll pleeease….

L.O.L just kidding but, we would like to formally introduce our family to the spotlight. So, ladies and gentleman, please put your hands together for our latest property hoarder expose and join us in welcoming to the table:

The McGreal Family.

So, who are the McGreal’s?

With any good plot, there are good characters and the same goes for our occupations, we like finding the slum-est, scum-est landlords of them all; in fairness to them though, they make it very easy for us – so credit where credit is due.

Anyway, back to the story: Patricia Ní Greil, aka Orla McGreal, legally owns number 34 North Fredrick Street. So, who is Orla? A freelance accountant and insurance intermediary, Orla is registered to the address 7 Sydenham Road, Ballsbridge, Dublin 4.

Interestingly, there are several other companies registered to this same address but none of which involved Orla herself – they do, however, involve a Colm McGreal and a Barbara Tracey. This includes an insurance company called McGreal Insurances, running from 1987-2003, to which Colm McGreal and Barbra McGreal were named as directors. Hmmm… are they related? If you do the maths, it seems to add up: they live in the same house, share the same surname (when it suits them) and also have the same trade.

As well as freelance accountancy and insurance intermediation, Orla has been involved in a number of humanitarian causes; working in Romania for a few years, and now a director of the Irish Environmental Conservation Organisation for Youth – UNESCO Clubs. Orla too was involved with Women for Election, a non-profit set – up to train women to enter politics. In her spare time, Orla likes to do a spot of yoga as hoarding empty houses can get awful stressful.

Back to the math, we are lead to believe that Colm McGreal and Barbara Tracey (or Barbara McGreal as she sometimes goes by) appear to be married. Barbara is a secondary school teacher, while Colm is an insurance intermediary and advisor. Colm and Barbara have been involved in various companies alongside their insurance business. All of these companies are property-related: buying, selling and managing real estate.

The information you can get from a quick google search, it always amazes us. Not to fall down the rabbit hole this late, it’s computers off and heads to the pillow while we leave you to ponder on this find:

Why is Orla’s name on the deeds of 34 North Frederick Street and why has this building been left empty for over three years?

Sweet dreams xox

https://www.facebook.com/dublincentralh ... 183655060/


What is the point of this nonsense? Are they just shaming the McGreal family or is there something sinister going on ?


god only knows, the sum total of what they have found out is that the owners live in ballsbridge (or at least the owner is using a siblings address), the brother was involved in an insurance business, his wife had a maiden name before she got married and and and.... not much else,

idiots


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 Post subject: Re: 34 North Frederick Street eviction.
PostPosted: Wed Sep 12, 2018 3:12 pm 
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What is the point of this nonsense? Are they just shaming the McGreal family or is there something sinister going on ?


I assume they're seeking to draw attention to a connection between the McGreal family and balaclava-clad, weapon-wielding thugs who (the assumption must be) the family employed to clear a vacant property of a bunch of crusties....Im assuming thats the intent ie to seek to shame them in some way....

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What is the point of this nonsense? Are they just shaming the McGreal family or is there something sinister going on ?


I assume they're seeking to draw attention to a connection between the McGreal family and balaclava-clad, weapon-wielding thugs who (the assumption must be) the family employed to clear a vacant property of a bunch of crusties....Im assuming thats the intent...


I see, but the family was very unlikely to call to the local Hare Krishna's to ask them to enforce the evictions.

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PostPosted: Wed Sep 12, 2018 3:28 pm 
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Well as ever these days, PR is paramount.

This story is circulating across social media and the optics are very bad. Quite sinister to anyone looking at the pics. So the activist group are in the process of winning a victory of sorts.

Nontheless, regardless of the legal rights and wrongs and our opinion of the individuals involved (as well as their politics) there is a broader issue of genuine lack of housing in Dublin. And at the same time, numerous properties are lying vacant. As I suggested earlier Im getting a sense that many people who wouldnt normally be the constituency associated with this type of protest are sympathetic to actions such as this on the basis that they themselves are bearing the brunt of the State's dysfunctional housing market/lack of policy around the issue generally. Many peoples lives have been on hold to a degree for a long time now and there is no sense that its likely to end anytime soon.

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Magpie wrote:
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What is the point of this nonsense? Are they just shaming the McGreal family or is there something sinister going on ?


I assume they're seeking to draw attention to a connection between the McGreal family and balaclava-clad, weapon-wielding thugs who (the assumption must be) the family employed to clear a vacant property of a bunch of crusties....Im assuming thats the intent...


I see, but the family was very unlikely to call to the local Hare Krishna's to ask them to enforce the evictions.


C'mon that's really a strawman in reply to a clarification - let's not everyone, lose the run of ourselves. It's not as if someone has argued we use feather dusters to tickle them out of their state of occupational ire or some such nonsense to move them. You're looking at what appears to be a political protest, maybe a small movement, that considering the topic could become a big movement someday. It's always to play for. What's so hard to understand?

Further is it so hard to fantom in the context?

I guess some people are still easily bemused and can't imagine why the issue of property/housing and having somewhere stable to live in Ireland would be such a potentially contentious issues.

Perhaps an article like this helps to clarify the motivations and the political nature the people involved.

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...Activists then turned their attention to 34 Frederick St, which has no connection to the Summerhill properties.

Organisers of the protests say they want: "To continue to highlight the causes of this housing crisis, one of which is land hoarding and speculation by private owners."

A spokesperson for the network said "public representatives aren't beyond targeting" when asked about why they are now occupying the house in Belvedere Court.

https://www.independent.ie/irish-news/w ... 96225.html


Such sentiments are in line with the many years of threads expressing same or similar frustrations over the life time of this forum.

If they are "idiots" then we're all "idiots" fighting over the how and what but never truly addressing the why, means we all remain idiots don't ya think?

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Comments on Thejournal.ie and Reddit were pretty supportive of the eviction.

Irish Times correspondent made it sound very sinister. "masked men" - given the doxxing on Social Media above it's hardly surprising


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