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 Post subject: Re: 34 North Frederick Street eviction.
PostPosted: Wed Sep 12, 2018 9:23 pm 
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Optics were shocking. Balaclava made them look like para thugs. Now there's a slur that the government can't throw at SF anymore.

The Manchester reg was an even worse move, resurrecting Peeler eviction!

Now leaving the owners out if this, they're rightfully protecting their property, but the state looked more desperate in shutting down a protest that highlighted in a time of a severe housing shortage property is being allowed to go unutilised.

Now while the state is entitled to use force it can not use it as an argument.

The last state on this island that tried to shut down a legitimate grievance by force got usurped.

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 Post subject: Re: 34 North Frederick Street eviction.
PostPosted: Wed Sep 12, 2018 10:30 pm 
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Optics were shocking. Balaclava made them look like para thugs. Now there's a slur that the government can't throw at SF anymore.

The Manchester reg was an even worse move, resurrecting Peeler eviction!

Now leaving the owners out if this, they're rightfully protecting their property, but the state looked more desperate in shutting down a protest that highlighted in a time of a severe housing shortage property is being allowed to go unutilised.

Now while the state is entitled to use force it can not use it as an argument.

The last state on this island that tried to shut down a legitimate grievance by force got usurped.


George Lee reporting that Cerberus are due to repossess a working farm in County Meath sometime next week. The current owners claiming that they will refuse to vacate and the IFA planning to turn up to support them.

Now whatever about crusties/lefties occupying properties in Dublin city centre, a foreign vulture fund seeking to forcibly repossess land from a rural family would certainly evoke strong folk memories and sentiment in many. Sparks could be set to fly.

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 Post subject: Re: 34 North Frederick Street eviction.
PostPosted: Wed Sep 12, 2018 10:41 pm 
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Aye.

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First they came for the family home. Now it's the family farm under siege. Whatever next. The family jewels?

Outraged, Co. Meath


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 Post subject: Re: 34 North Frederick Street eviction.
PostPosted: Wed Sep 12, 2018 10:55 pm 
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Aye.

Madam,
First they came for the family home. Now it's the family farm under siege. Whatever next. The family jewels?

Outraged, Co. Meath


I'd say if they could get back the 600k odd remaining from the 800k the brothers borrowed to buy that farm (probably outbidding a few other locals in the process), then Cerebus would happily go on their way.


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 Post subject: Re: 34 North Frederick Street eviction.
PostPosted: Wed Sep 12, 2018 11:07 pm 
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Epicurus wrote:
Aye.

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First they came for the family home. Now it's the family farm under siege. Whatever next. The family jewels?

Outraged, Co. Meath


If it plays out as per Georges report, are the Guards going to protect Cerberus' agents whilst they forcibly evict IFA members....in direct opposition to a crowd of fellow IFA members there to offer support?

I'm not sure rural Ireland works like that. Would anyone even be willing buy it a la The Field? Suppose we'll
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 Post subject: Re: 34 North Frederick Street eviction.
PostPosted: Thu Sep 13, 2018 9:39 am 
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They had a live reporter from the scene on 4FM, talking to people and why they were marching. You could hear their serious frustration on accommodation issues.
I'm happy that so many people turned out to support this boil in the housing situation.


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 Post subject: Re: 34 North Frederick Street eviction.
PostPosted: Thu Sep 13, 2018 9:48 am 
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temene wrote:
They had a live reporter from the scene on 4FM, talking to people and why they were marching. You could hear their serious frustration on accommodation issues.
I'm happy that so many people turned out to support this boil in the housing situation.
Yes, 34 North Frederick Street is just a symbol of an issue that has directly and indirectly affected a huge number of VOTERS AT THE NEXT GENERAL ELECTION.


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 Post subject: Re: 34 North Frederick Street eviction.
PostPosted: Thu Sep 13, 2018 4:27 pm 
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If you look at the photographs and videos from the protest at North Frederick Street where housing activists occupied and vacated an empty building, the obvious question is : whose side were the gardaí on?

Perhaps this is an unfair question, but it’s one plenty of people following the events online and on the streets will ask. After protestors marched to Store Street garda station, they stood outside chanting “Who do you protect? Who do you serve?”

Unidentified men men wearing balaclavas emerged from a van to enter and then seal the property on Tuesday. The photographs show them standing at a door with gardaí in the foreground. The garda were also wearing balaclavas. Garda sources say they are part of the Public Order Units protective uniforms and have have also said that the Garda involved would have been concerned about reprisals on foot of being identified on social media.

This may well be the case but if anyone was seeking images or an incident to stoke the embers of an incendiary mood in Dublin, they need look no further. For the gardaí to enter the fray in this manner, masked and brandishing batons, was brutish and foolish. The housing crisis is emotionally charged, and on North Frederick Street, the gardaí merely escalated the situation. Protestors were arrested, some ended up in hospital. What’s going on?


https://www.google.ie/amp/s/www.irishti ... mode%3Damp

Inevitably Una seeks to hop on the bandwagon....surprisingly I happen to agree with some of what she says...

Unsurprisingly, a number of the activists involved in the occupation the other evening are veterans of the abortion referendum campaign where they proudly documented online their dismantling of pro life posters around Dublin. I was derided by a number of contributors to this site at that time for suggesting that many of the classically liberal minded supporters of that campaign would do well to take note of the broader objectives of a subsection of prominent repealers who viewed it as a means to advance an entryist hard left agenda of rather than simply a question of access to abortion services.

It's worth pointing out that 10 years ago, a referendum on the extinguishing of the rights of the unborn would have stood zero chance of passing in Ireland. If the likes of Una and her cohort are fully on board with this, and it comes to be appropriated as the next hot ticket after abortion by the trendy brigade, who's to say property rights couldn't go the same way ? Seems fantastical now but so did Brexit and trump....

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 Post subject: Re: 34 North Frederick Street eviction.
PostPosted: Thu Sep 13, 2018 4:44 pm 
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I'll not be sr5ed reading Una's student union take on this but does she mention that of the 5 arrested, 1 was carrying a knife and another racially abused a Garda


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 Post subject: Re: 34 North Frederick Street eviction.
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I'll not be sr5ed reading Una's student union take on this but does she mention that of the 5 arrested, 1 was carrying a knife and another racially abused a Garda

Was the Garda slagged off for being from Cork?

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 Post subject: Re: 34 North Frederick Street eviction.
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The latest target in Belvedere Place has planning permission granted in June for a refurb / besdsits to apartments.

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 Post subject: Re: 34 North Frederick Street eviction.
PostPosted: Thu Sep 13, 2018 7:14 pm 
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Open Window wrote:
Barmiest Loon wrote:
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bubbletrouble wrote:
Hoarding vacant property in a city with a property crisis (and elsewhere) at the detriment of society is just wrong. I'm all for taxing the crap out of vacant/derelict property/sites after a certain amount of time passed.


thats fair enough and you are entitled to your opinion, but thats a long way from illegally occupying.


agreed. Muster up wide scale support for taxing the hell out of the property owners.

It is one thing illegally occupying as a peaceful protest but once an eviction notice has been served, the protesters are defying a court order.

I understand all the frustration re the lack of housing, but wide scale support of defying the courts just leads to anarchy, much to the detriment of society.


Ok a reasonable point but you have the same courts playing political football with housing repossessions for a decade causing a form of let's call it, housing anarchy for tens of thousands of people (maybe hundreds of thousands) all the while continual government policy compounds matters in one direction i.e. "worse" and that has resulted in verifiable deaths in the extreme (for e.g. Green Party legislation removing bedits) versus what? Keeping up appearances???.

We need to really define this flavour of anarchy you (rhetorical) are not willing to countenance in more real terms. Please.


When I say anarchy I don't really mean people taking up arms against the state, more that a creeping disregard for the laws of land gains a widespread acceptance which can cause significant societal problems.

For example, I agree that the courts are playing political football with housing repossessions, in that they seem very reluctant to actually grant a repossession; they are continually kicking the can down the road. This is thanks to a creeping disregard, politically and socially, for contract law and is causing huge societal problems, not least a contributing factor to the housing crisis.

It's frustrating to see, but at least when a court finally orders a repossession, by and large it is enforced, and that is a good thing.

We have to got to stage where public and political opinion is influencing the willingness of courts to enforce the law, which is a ridiculous state of affairs if you think about it.

Worse still, we're in danger of getting the stage where it is ok to openly flout the law, if public opinion apparently supports it. That is the flavour of anarchy I am talking about.


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 Post subject: Re: 34 North Frederick Street eviction.
PostPosted: Thu Sep 13, 2018 7:55 pm 
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Yes there is a problem with affordable housing, but disregarding another citizens property rights is not going to fix it. Undermining one citizens property rights undermines all citizens property rights.
In this case, according to the protester the villains are the property hoarders. But, there are lots of reasons why a property can be vacant. (Problems with a will, organizing the capital required for development...etc.)
The mob often goes after the wrong suspect.

IMHO, the lefties are very muddled up in their ideology. They want a type of globalism, but then when global finances arrives on their shores they pick on the local property developers.

Also the doxing of the owner of that property was a cowardly act.


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 Post subject: Re: 34 North Frederick Street eviction.
PostPosted: Thu Sep 13, 2018 8:46 pm 
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If you look at the photographs and videos from the protest at North Frederick Street where housing activists occupied and vacated an empty building, the obvious question is : whose side were the gardaí on?

Perhaps this is an unfair question, but it’s one plenty of people following the events online and on the streets will ask. After protestors marched to Store Street garda station, they stood outside chanting “Who do you protect? Who do you serve?”

Unidentified men men wearing balaclavas emerged from a van to enter and then seal the property on Tuesday. The photographs show them standing at a door with gardaí in the foreground. The garda were also wearing balaclavas. Garda sources say they are part of the Public Order Units protective uniforms and have have also said that the Garda involved would have been concerned about reprisals on foot of being identified on social media.

This may well be the case but if anyone was seeking images or an incident to stoke the embers of an incendiary mood in Dublin, they need look no further. For the gardaí to enter the fray in this manner, masked and brandishing batons, was brutish and foolish. The housing crisis is emotionally charged, and on North Frederick Street, the gardaí merely escalated the situation. Protestors were arrested, some ended up in hospital. What’s going on?


https://www.google.ie/amp/s/www.irishti ... mode%3Damp

Inevitably Una seeks to hop on the bandwagon....surprisingly I happen to agree with some of what she says...

Unsurprisingly, a number of the activists involved in the occupation the other evening are veterans of the abortion referendum campaign where they proudly documented online their dismantling of pro life posters around Dublin. I was derided by a number of contributors to this site at that time for suggesting that many of the classically liberal minded supporters of that campaign would do well to take note of the broader objectives of a subsection of prominent repealers who viewed it as a means to advance an entryist hard left agenda of rather than simply a question of access to abortion services.

It's worth pointing out that 10 years ago, a referendum on the extinguishing of the rights of the unborn would have stood zero chance of passing in Ireland. If the likes of Una and her cohort are fully on board with this, and it comes to be appropriated as the next hot ticket after abortion by the trendy brigade, who's to say property rights couldn't go the same way ? Seems fantastical now but so did Brexit and trump....


FYI. There was in interesting reversal on the streets of Dublin between 1983 and 2018. Although on both occasions the Yes side canvassers / supporters greatly outnumbered the No side canvassers / supporters. Such is the vagaries of politics. What was very different between 1983 and 2018 was in 2018 the very much in the minority No canvassers were politely ignored on all occasions I saw them whereas I personally witnessed in 1983 the No canvassers of the time being verbally abused and personally threatened on several occasions on the streets in Central Dublin. One particularly nasty occasion on Kildare St comes to mind. As for removal of posters No posters may have been tampered with in 2018 but one thing I did not see in 2018 was No posters torn down and left for all to see. Which was a fairly common sight in Dublin in 1983. Thinking back I dont think I remember seeing a single No poster anywhere outside Dublin in the lead up to that referendum.

As for Frederick St, just the usual media attention whores deliberately creating high profile incidents so they can get attention and ultimately money for their own pet projects. A cynical stunt pure and simple. Got zero to do with the accommodation problem. Which Dublin has always had. Its always been an expensive place to rent, with terrible choice, low quality stock and mostly terrible landlords and essentially non existent tenants legal protection. Little has changed in the last forty odd years. Nothing new about any of this.

So some stupid media stunt will do nothing to change any of that.

Want a better functioning market with housing? Then for a start how about evicting the tens of thousands of people who defaulted on their mortgages knowing full well that the dysfunctional Irish legal system would not deal with them like in other countries. Or promptly evicting the cute hoor farmers in Meath and their ilk. Hundred of those scattered about the country. And how about a French style property tax on all empty properties. That should bring at least 80% of the 200K unused properties onto the rental / resale market. And as the planning / zoning system does not work in Ireland and never can given its political culture just abolish it completely. A simple engineering integrity / safety permitted process, nothing more. Then you will have large amounts of "affordable" housing built in short order.

But the people behind Fredrick St have no interest in any of these workable solutions because there is nothing in it for them. They are just another group of hucksters and hustlers in it for their own ends. Their own personal gain.


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 Post subject: Re: 34 North Frederick Street eviction.
PostPosted: Mon Sep 17, 2018 8:38 pm 
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Gene Kerrigan: When democracy wears a black mask (paywalled)
https://www.independent.ie/opinion/colu ... 20494.html

...but discussed on reddit ... some good points re: total wealth
https://www.reddit.com/r/ireland/commen ... lack_mask/


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