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 Post subject: Re: National Broadband Plan will cost the taxpayer over €2bn
PostPosted: Fri Oct 26, 2018 3:31 pm 
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Yeah, the FTTH is the dogs bollocks, despite the Eir DNS massacre last week.
It is incredibly consistent and the good upload speed means google can capture all my data without slowing me down.


You change the DNS in your router to Google or OpenDNS

Much better service, they are free - but they have a cost.

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 Post subject: Re: National Broadband Plan will cost the taxpayer over €2bn
PostPosted: Fri Oct 26, 2018 5:54 pm 
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yoganmahew wrote:
Yeah, the FTTH is the dogs bollocks, despite the Eir DNS massacre last week.
It is incredibly consistent and the good upload speed means google can capture all my data without slowing me down.


You change the DNS in your router to Google or OpenDNS

Much better service, they are free - but they have a cost.

Yes, but I was away at the time, and the router is locked down to that sort of messing so explaining it over the phone wasn't really an option! :)
Mrs. YM was delighted with the internet blackout for a day :D

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 Post subject: Re: National Broadband Plan will cost the taxpayer over €2bn
PostPosted: Fri Oct 26, 2018 7:58 pm 
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You may also change the router dns to cloudflare, 1.1.1.1 . Opendns cloudflare and google are in the INEX which means they are all 'in' Dublin in network terms so DNS response is very fast from all three. I think opendns is in AWS actually. Also near the INEX is Quad9 dns which is on 9.9.9.9 and which additionally supports DNS over TLS if you point at port 853 instead of the default port 53 for enhanced privacy.

Quad9 has no logging, cloudflare has very little.

eir DNS goes tits up at least twice a year in my experience.

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 Post subject: Re: National Broadband Plan will cost the taxpayer over €2bn
PostPosted: Fri Nov 09, 2018 10:05 am 
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Newstalk Breakfast had a feature this morning and according to eir, the rural uptake is currently running at 1 in 7. And that's in the more densely populated rural areas.

I spent a lot of time this summer in a very rural part of the West of Ireland and did a bit of work from home to keep things ticking over. I used a vodafone dongle and was well able to log on to my work network, deal with emails etc.
We were also able to use the dongle for surfing on both mobile phones and tablets.

I'm not feeling good about a €2bn roll-out of fibre despite some of the assurance provided on these pages and the cons of mobile bband as set out. I think we're about to embark on an enormous white elephant


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 Post subject: Re: National Broadband Plan will cost the taxpayer over €2bn
PostPosted: Sat Nov 10, 2018 11:09 am 
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In the end, this is a housing issue. The technical issues are complex but the real problem is that no politician will admit the obvious: our rural settlement pattern, with houses scattered across the countryside and not in villages, makes it impossible to get everyone in Ireland on broadband. Most of the 500,000 premises are one-off houses and not farms.

The political commitment is impossible to fulfill (it is also uneconomic of course - the commercial operators are already rolling broadband out wherever it is economically viable). Any rational level of charges will deter many households in rural Ireland who will rely instead on mobile, wifimax, satellite or whatever. In parts of Ireland the population density is so low that the cost of laying the fibre would exceed the value of all the houses it could serve (and many of those households will not take it!).

There has been no cost/benefit analysis and there are no figures of how much end-users will be charged but it is obvious that, unlike e.g. electricity , take-up of broadband will be very price-sensitive. In some ways, this is comparable to the Irish Water story where, for decades, the politicians pretended that the service was cost-free and made a mess when they tried to rationalise it. No surprise, that take-up of broadband in rural areas is reportedly very low:
https://www.independent.ie/opinion/comm ... 13131.html


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 Post subject: Re: National Broadband Plan will cost the taxpayer over €2bn
PostPosted: Mon Nov 12, 2018 10:29 pm 
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Given that this guy can't even do basic arithmetic - I'd be worried.

https://www.rte.ie/news/2018/1112/10104 ... band-plan/

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"I've owned a house in Ireland for 20 years, not recently as it says in the paper - a quarter of a century is hardly recently," said Mr McCourt, founder and chairman of Granahan McCourt.


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 Post subject: Re: National Broadband Plan will cost the taxpayer over €2bn
PostPosted: Tue Nov 13, 2018 10:27 am 
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FreeFallin wrote:
I'm not feeling good about a €2bn roll-out of fibre despite some of the assurance provided on these pages and the cons of mobile bband as set out. I think we're about to embark on an enormous white elephant

A white elephant so huge it can be seen from space.

This is a analysis of SpaceX’s Starlink satelite broadband service. https://youtu.be/AdKNCBrkZQ4

(I would love to hear the opinion from one of you IT guys about Starlink)

There will be low cost satellite broadband available all over Ireland in a few years with a latency comparable to fiber.

The National Broadband plan is and will be a huge waste of money. We would be better giving SpaceX the €2B to get us broadband faster.

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 Post subject: Re: National Broadband Plan will cost the taxpayer over €2bn
PostPosted: Tue Nov 13, 2018 11:43 am 
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FreeFallin wrote:

I'm not feeling good about a €2bn roll-out of fibre despite some of the assurance provided on these pages and the cons of mobile bband as set out. I think we're about to embark on an enormous white elephant



6 years ago, I recall being rudely berated by a 'popular' pinster about suggesting that mobile broadband would continue. Still yet to change my mind on that. Absolutely fiber is much faster etc.., but a lot of clever tricks used by mobile to deliver faster data rates.

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 Post subject: Re: National Broadband Plan will cost the taxpayer over €2bn
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Terra Incognita wrote:
This is a analysis of SpaceX’s Starlink satelite broadband service. https://youtu.be/AdKNCBrkZQ4

This is bollox. Satellite broadband is always bollox unless you are a) in the middle of an ocean or b) in a jungle wilderness.

The biggest satellite serving ireland right now has less throughput for all of Ireland than a normal street cabinet used by Eir or Virgin in a housing estate. Spacex will not change anything of note, except in really poor countries around the equator. Nor will any other space satellite broadband wheeze.

4G or 5g will work as a fibre substitute in around 20% of the country, the most rural 20% and with a very low population, that would be around 50,000 of the 500,000 households in the NBP. The other 450,000 need a fibre solution.

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 Post subject: Re: National Broadband Plan will cost the taxpayer over €2bn
PostPosted: Wed Nov 14, 2018 6:47 pm 
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Terra Incognita wrote:
This is a analysis of SpaceX’s Starlink satelite broadband service. https://youtu.be/AdKNCBrkZQ4

This is bollox. Satellite broadband is always bollox unless you are a) in the middle of an ocean or b) in a jungle wilderness.

The biggest satellite serving ireland right now has less throughput for all of Ireland than a normal street cabinet used by Eir or Virgin in a housing estate. Spacex will not change anything of note, except in really poor countries around the equator. Nor will any other space satellite broadband wheeze.

4G or 5g will work as a fibre substitute in around 20% of the country, the most rural 20% and with a very low population, that would be around 50,000 of the 500,000 households in the NBP. The other 450,000 need a fibre solution.

Crap maths alert....

The SpaceX satellites are much lower (like 1000km vs 35,000km) and have bandwidth per satellite of ~20Gbps.

My house on a crappy 50Mbps connection typically downloads about 750GB/mo.So that's an average of about 1GB/hour, or 0.002Gbps.

So one satellite can support 10,000 of my households, at best. How many Irish households are beyond fibre?

SpaceX are "planning" to launch 4,425 satellites, so that's 44 million households, or about 177 million people, or about 2% of the earth's population.

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