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 Post subject: Jan 2014: Trial date set for three former Anglo Irish Bank
PostPosted: Thu Jan 24, 2013 7:50 am 
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Trial date set for three former Anglo Irish Bank executives - Pamel Duncan -> http://www.irishtimes.com/newspaper/fin ... 24697.html

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A provisional trial date has been set for January next year in the case of three former executives of Anglo Irish Bank in connection with financial irregularities at the institution.
The bank’s former chairman Seán FitzPatrick, former finance director Willie McAteer and former managing director of the bank in Ireland Pat Whelan appeared before the Circuit Court in Dublin yesterday in front of Judge Mary Ellen Ring.
The court heard that 24 million documents may have to be considered in relation to the case and that the trial will take a minimum of three months.

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Anglo trial can't proceed until 24 million files are examined - Fiona Ferguson and Declan Brennan -> http://www.independent.ie/business/iris ... 63439.html

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The 16 charges are linked to loans of €451m in an alleged plot involving the family of bankrupt former billionaire Sean Quinn and a golden circle of clients hand-picked to invest in stock to prop up the share price.

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 Post subject: Re: Jan 2014: Trial date set for three former Anglo Irish Ba
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I wonder will they draw straws to decide who is too sick and old to go to jail? It might look odd if they all claim to be showing signs of senile dementia.


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Barney Gumble wrote:
I wonder will they draw straws to decide who is too sick and old to go to jail? It might look odd if they all claim to be showing signs of senile dementia.

I recommend studying Uncle Junior in The Sopranos! :roll:


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 Post subject: Re: Jan 2014: Trial date set for three former Anglo Irish Ba
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So long is this trial date since the date of the offences, 6 years?

Madoff was arrested in December '08 and sentenced in June '09, even allowing for his guility plea...this is a joke...


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So long is this trial date since the date of the offences, 6 years?

Madoff was arrested in December '08 and sentenced in June '09, even allowing for his guility plea...this is a joke...


Ireland is different.


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 Post subject: Re: Jan 2014: Trial date set for three former Anglo Irish Ba
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I cant see how they need to look at 24 million documents on this. Is this another case of designing a system so that no white collar crimes are prosecuted. No government including the current government appear interested in reform of this area. The Fraud squad is a one man band and his dog.

The vast majority of White collar crimes fail. The best small country in the world, for Fraud, Counterfeiting, Money Laundering, Forgery, Embezzlement and Extortion .

I probably have missed a few other items on the list above but the obvious one is we are best little country for shell games. Surely Anglo is the biggest shell game uncovered?

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 Post subject: Re: Jan 2014: Trial date set for three former Anglo Irish Ba
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Discussed here

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 Post subject: Re: Jan 2014: Trial date set for three former Anglo Irish Ba
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johnnyone234 wrote:
Any day now.
I cant see how they need to look at 24 million documents on this. Is this another case of designing a system so that no white collar crimes are prosecuted. No government including the current government appear interested in reform of this area. The Fraud squad is a one man band and his dog.

The vast majority of White collar crimes fail. The best small country in the world, for Fraud, Counterfeiting, Money Laundering, Forgery, Embezzlement and Extortion .


Maybe gov't should think outside the box, now that IFSC is sort of looking less-cool, set up the IOCC (International Organised Crime Centre). Could probably find some synergies between the two, using IFSC apparatus to launder money from IOCC operations. This would need to be a serious operation though, with a list of target orgs to get in
  • Sicillian Mafia
  • Russian Mafia
  • Albanian Mafia
  • FARC
  • Triads
  • Yakuza
  • Mexican Cartels
  • ...
IDA needs to start extending the address book: http://listverse.com/2012/06/05/top-15- ... s-in-2012/

Ireland would probably end up a much "safer" place in the end too. I'd expect the IOCC would probably be happy to take over funding/training the Gardai, and these guys generally try not to do the dirt too close to home, so a small country like Ireland should be golden. I mean, these crooks actually know how to make money, not just spend and lose it like the last crooks we had in!


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 Post subject: Re: Jan 2014: Trial date set for three former Anglo Irish Ba
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Col. Max Pyatnitski wrote:
johnnyone234 wrote:
Any day now.
I cant see how they need to look at 24 million documents on this. Is this another case of designing a system so that no white collar crimes are prosecuted. No government including the current government appear interested in reform of this area. The Fraud squad is a one man band and his dog.

The vast majority of White collar crimes fail. The best small country in the world, for Fraud, Counterfeiting, Money Laundering, Forgery, Embezzlement and Extortion .


Maybe gov't should think outside the box, now that IFSC is sort of looking less-cool, set up the IOCC (International Organised Crime Centre). Could probably find some synergies between the two, using IFSC apparatus to launder money from IOCC operations. This would need to be a serious operation though, with a list of target orgs to get in
  • Sicillian Mafia
  • Russian Mafia
  • Albanian Mafia
  • FARC
  • Triads
  • Yakuza
  • Mexican Cartels
  • ...
IDA needs to start extending the address book: http://listverse.com/2012/06/05/top-15- ... s-in-2012/

Ireland would probably end up a much "safer" place in the end too. I'd expect the IOCC would probably be happy to take over funding/training the Gardai, and these guys generally try not to do the dirt too close to home, so a small country like Ireland should be golden. I mean, these crooks actually know how to make money, not just spend and lose it like the last crooks we had in!



Indeed, and we already had the Irish Mob

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Irish_mob

Think of all the money they could provide, jobs, offense forces

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 Post subject: Re: Jan 2014: Trial date set for three former Anglo Irish Ba
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Indeed, and we already had the Irish Mob

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Irish_mob

Think of all the money they could provide, jobs, offense forces


Not to mention the fraternal links between IRA factions and various other international organisations...

and you're dead right, "offense forces", that's what we need. "defence forces" are so old-hat, everyone has defence forces. Not many are ballsy enough to come out and clarify what their budget for offence and defence are, let alone to just plonk it all down on offence, eyes rolling wildly in head :evil:


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 Post subject: Re: Jan 2014: Trial date set for three former Anglo Irish Ba
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Punter wrote:
So long is this trial date since the date of the offences, 6 years?

Madoff was arrested in December '08 and sentenced in June '09, even allowing for his guility plea...this is a joke...


Ken Lay died without ever seeing the inside of a jail cell - although, granted, two of his senior officers were convicted.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kenneth_Lay


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Punter wrote:
So long is this trial date since the date of the offences, 6 years?

Madoff was arrested in December '08 and sentenced in June '09, even allowing for his guility plea...this is a joke...


Madoff put his hands up straight away, the SEC never acted on the information from Harry Markopolos. No one else senior has gone to jail. See Angelo Mozilo. There is a specific reason why, the people in the SEC will be looking career opportunities in the banks (revolving door) or politics (political donations). Same thing in Ireland, watch as the "regulators" move to the boards of the banks they regulate and the various quangos (see Paul Applebys career).


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 Post subject: Re: Jan 2014: Trial date set for three former Anglo Irish Ba
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If you printed out every dodgy transaction that ever passed through the doors or telephone wires of Anglo, and took a separate statement from each witness and defendent to cover each individual day of their lives, I don't see htf you would come up with 24m documents.

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 Post subject: Re: Jan 2014: Trial date set for three former Anglo Irish Ba
PostPosted: Fri Jan 25, 2013 10:47 am 
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BoyRacer wrote:
Anglo trial can't proceed until 24 million files are examined.

That's a joke, right? If it takes on average 2 minutes to both examine and record results of examination in a database for each document, that equates to a team of 40 people working full time for ten years (8 hour day, 5 days a week, less 2 weeks holidays.)

What nonsense. The crime that was committed that is of concern to the people of Ireland was the corrupt nature of the culture prevailing, and relationships among various establishment figures.

What destroyed this country was the existence of an oligarchy that for all practical purposes influenced and took decisions at high level that defined the direction and intent of the country.

This investigation into Anglo is a load of bullshit. That was obvious right from the beginning. That has been said by many all along.

Arrest the fucking investigators.


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BoyRacer wrote:
Anglo trial can't proceed until 24 million files are examined.

That's a joke, right? If it takes on average 2 minutes to both examine and record results of examination in a database for each document, that equates to a team of 40 people working full time for ten years (8 hour day, 5 days a week, less 2 weeks holidays.)

What nonsense. The crime that was committed that is of concern to the people of Ireland was the corrupt nature of the culture prevailing, and relationships among various establishment figures.

What destroyed this country was the existence of an oligarchy that for all practical purposes influenced and took decisions at high level that defined the direction and intent of the country.

This investigation into Anglo is a load of bullshit. That was obvious right from the beginning. That has been said by many all along.

Arrest the fucking investigators.

But they have to look at all the 24 million files in case there's a document in one of them that says Seanie and the lads weren't doing anything wrong. i have no idea what evidence that could be, probably nobody does until they see it, but to be fair to the lads (and they're decent lads) they've got to keep looking.

To be honest, they'll probably have to check a few billion files more in all the other banks in the world if they don't find what they're looknig for in the Anglo files. who knows where the get out of jail card could be hiding. A lad could die while someone's going through that many files. tragic.

It'd all make you sick.


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