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 Post subject: Operation Phase I - DIY (No Money Up Front)
PostPosted: Fri Aug 14, 2009 1:54 am 
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There has been a lot of talk.
A lot of talk about action.
Of protest.
Of letting them know how we feel.
Against NAMA.

We need a leader.
We need a voice to represent us.
To play the media game.

This is what they would want, nay expect.
This is not what you need.
They can deal with this.
Challenged but once and they have won.

Nor will there ever be a leader to represent you truly.
Not as effectively as you.

In that there are you there are many of you there is not one person.

You are sitting at a computer 5 days a week, 52 weeks a year.
A never ending job share 24/7 cover nationwide.
Hundreds of thousands of you.

You communicate with many people everyday
Possibly hundreds, maybe even thousands.
From your place. Directly.
You have more power at your finger tips than any human has ever before in the history of time.

You are the beast.
You are legend, myth and folklore.
Yet you exist.
Rare but real you have been spotted.
That's how those gamekeepers survive.
They need you kept.

You are the change you want to see.
No one else can change you.

Unless you surrender your being.
Is that what you want?

To all, the time has come to share you story.
Share you experience. Use what you have learned.
Imagine what you want to see. Imagine the reality you so desire.
One of stability, security, equality and peace?

To the matter at hand. NAMA is not your real target is it? Your target is the very system that has let NAMA slip through. You don’t believe that by stopping NAMA you will win? Do you?

The Green Party leaders unwavering endorsement of NAMA in the face of the parties internal doubts and rising public outrage make it the first legitimate target of civil pressure. Along side every government minister, every TD in opposition, every local politician are the legitimate targets of your demands.

We must together as individuals make the one most important demand. We must ask one very simple question of these offices and agencies of the state. We must do it in a way that we feel comfortable and each way is as legitimate a way to ask this one question.

There has been dribble debate.
There has always only been one course one invisible captain.
We know great things have happened.
We also know we do not truly understand the full consequences but what we can be sure we can know of is this one thing.

So to all the public representatives of this nation on behalf of yourself, your children and children yet to be born,

Do you support NAMA, yes or no?

Now go forth and ask this to every fucking overpaid backwater shabby mouthed politician. Fill their in boxes with thousands of emails. Fill their letterboxes with letters, fill the lobby’s of their clinics with question after question.

Make it clear that this question must be answered unequivocally.

Yes or no, do you support NAMA?

Repeat.. yes or NO!

Only you can ask this question.

Protest? Yes we can have a day out walk down a narrow street.
Flanked on all side by security forces.
The message communicated through that evening news.
Filtered, distilled mangled looking like every other mongrel "protest".
Covered by tomorrows paper in quarter page article page 26.

Is that what you want?

Is that the best way to spend a precious day?
How effectively has it worked for other groups?
Are they still protesting? How many years now?

Instead I see thousands of people taking 10/20 minutes or an hour out of their day to ask this question.
In the way they can. I see thousands of them all over the country in every country in every town asking the same resounding question directly. Is that you? Ask yourself can you do this?

Is this not the action you want?

Do you not want to challenge the very system, the very people who have fuddled, fudged and dodged all the serious questions till now to this point where the vampire is now across the threshold?

NAMA shadow will be cast over every playground, ghost town, employment black spot, hospital ward closed, flight out of dodge.

So get the fuck off this forum and go out there and ask the question,

Do you support NAMA yes or NO?

If this is not enough what then?

Then you mobilise.

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 Post subject: Re: Operation Phase I - DIY (No Money Up Front)
PostPosted: Fri Aug 14, 2009 7:31 am 
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Green Party people and contact details.

http://www.greenparty.ie/en/people


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 Post subject: Re: Operation Phase I - DIY (No Money Up Front)
PostPosted: Fri Aug 14, 2009 7:34 am 
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http://wexfordgreenparty.com/

http://www.garrethmcdaid.com/ Sligo/Leitrim/Roscommon Greens

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 Post subject: Re: Operation Phase I - DIY (No Money Up Front)
PostPosted: Fri Aug 14, 2009 7:59 am 
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Simple but effective OW - I have spent the morning sending that one question.


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 Post subject: Re: Operation Phase I - DIY (No Money Up Front)
PostPosted: Fri Aug 14, 2009 8:45 am 
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Excellent post,sent off my first e-mail.


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 Post subject: Re: Operation Phase I - DIY (No Money Up Front)
PostPosted: Fri Aug 14, 2009 9:10 am 
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Guys,

May I politely suggest that a letter (or phoning) is more effective than an email when it comes to dealing with a TD.

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 Post subject: Re: Operation Phase I - DIY (No Money Up Front)
PostPosted: Fri Aug 14, 2009 10:39 am 
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I am happy to write letters, emails do phonecalls etc, but have some reservations about the question. Firstly, these are politicians, they don't answer Yes or No to questions, so could end up with many Yes'es by default. And secondly, many who may have concerns about NAMA in its current proposed state may still feel that we need a "bad bank" and that NAMA is an ok vehicle as long as it's weighted in taxpayers favour, etc, so they are unlikely to say No outright. What's the ultimate aim of this tactic?


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 Post subject: Re: Operation Phase I - DIY (No Money Up Front)
PostPosted: Fri Aug 14, 2009 10:45 am 
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In particular would posters/lurkers email the the Green group for their constituency from this list http://www.greenparty.ie/en/people/local_groups. In the email request that they pass on your email to their membership list.

I sent this one yesterday to the Kerry North Greens
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Hi Bert

I got your email address from the Green Party website. I am emailing you just as a constituent in relation to the story that the Greens may be holding a members convention on the NAMA legislation. I wonder are the Kerry North Greens going to vote on a motion for such a convention? In any case in the event of such a convention taking place I would just like the North Kerry Greens to be aware of the concerns of a constituent re NAMA. I in particular object to the proposal to value of assets on a notional long-term economic valuation especially as both the High and Supreme Court have rubbished similar suggestions in the Liam O'Carroll Examinership case. Justice Kelly in the High Court called similar proposals as 'fanciful' and the Supreme Court said there was no 'objective evidence' to support such a contention. The NAMA proposal to purchase assets at possibly a multiple of their current market value represents a massive transfer of wealth from the ordinary citizens of this State to the shareholders and bondholders of the main financial institutions. Moral hazard demands that it is the shareholders and bondholders that should be the first to take the hit of losses - not the taxpayer. It would be appear that NAMA is being set up to avoid the nationalisation of the main financial institutions, however, a corollary of this is the enrichment of those who consciously put up risk capital to share in the rewards of profits are not being asked to take the downside of losses. This would appear to be a classic case of privatising the profits and socialising the losses. I would request that the North Kerry Greens consider the views of their constituents if there is a vote on NAMA at a party convention.

I am not going to request the email addresses of your members to copy this email to as I am sure there would be Data Protection issues with that. So Bert could you please forward this email to your membership list.

Thanks,

NAME,
Tralee.


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Hello NAME,

Can I also forward this e-mail to the general sec, chair and party leader?

Regards,

Bert


Do not just copy my email put it in your own words.


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 Post subject: Re: Operation Phase I - DIY (No Money Up Front)
PostPosted: Fri Aug 14, 2009 10:54 am 
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Catdog wrote:
I am happy to write letters, emails do phonecalls etc, but have some reservations about the question. Firstly, these are politicians, they don't answer Yes or No to questions, so could end up with many Yes'es by default. And secondly, many who may have concerns about NAMA in its current proposed state may still feel that we need a "bad bank" and that NAMA is an ok vehicle as long as it's weighted in taxpayers favour, etc, so they are unlikely to say No outright. What's the ultimate aim of this tactic?



Personally I like the idea of putting them on the spot - yes I am aware they are politicians who don't give straight answers - but that is the beauty of the simplicity.
Let them give their reasoning, if they support a bad bank and are willing to settle for NAMA then let them explain why - give them rope.........


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 Post subject: Re: Operation Phase I - DIY (No Money Up Front)
PostPosted: Fri Aug 14, 2009 10:55 am 
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Dear xxxxx,

Many thanks for your email.

John is on holidays at the moment, but I will bring your email to his attention as soon as he returns.

Kind regards.

Ann


First response from John Gormley.


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