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 Post subject: Poolbeg incinerator - devaluation of surrounding areas?
PostPosted: Fri Jul 12, 2013 8:02 am 
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My wife and I have been thinking of buying a house in Sandymount, but having read about the planned incinerator in Poolbeg, we're not so sure now.

Ringsend, Irishtown, Sandymount are in immediate proximity to the planned incinerator in Poolbeg. Will this devalue property in these and similar areas?

I watched "Trashed" featuring Jeremy Irons last night and he investigates the problems of waste disposal, including incinerators. personally I would not want to live anywhere near one of those things, no matter how modern or sophisticated they promise the emissions control will be. The release of dioxins and other nasties into the air would seem to have long-lasting and extremely negative consequences for those who are exposed to them, as a result of the burning of waste. More importantly the negative effects are passed onto children.

Some of the articles online also seem to indicate that this will have a negative impact on traffic.

What do you think about the incinerator and the impact it will have on property in the surrounding areas?


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PostPosted: Fri Jul 12, 2013 8:49 am 
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But aren't there already 2 power turbines and a sewage treatment plant right there? Will the incinerator really have an appreciable effect on air quality? And that's assuming it actually ever gets operational.

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 Post subject: Re: Poolbeg incinerator - devaluation of surrounding areas?
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Mantissa wrote:
But aren't there already 2 power turbines and a sewage treatment plant right there? Will the incinerator really have an appreciable effect on air quality? And that's assuming it actually ever gets operational.

I think the release of dioxins from incineration is the main concern, I don't know if this is an issue with power turbines or sewerage. It seems that the project has spent a fortune buying land so I would imagine they have space to start construction, rumoured for summer 2013. Anyone know anything more?


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 Post subject: Re: Poolbeg incinerator - devaluation of surrounding areas?
PostPosted: Fri Jul 12, 2013 9:34 am 
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Anyone know anything more?


Preliminary works are underway this week.


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PostPosted: Fri Jul 12, 2013 10:11 am 
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Anyone know anything more?


Preliminary works are underway this week.


About time.

So if this actually, 100% being built now? Or are there more court hearings, etc.?


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 Post subject: Re: Poolbeg incinerator - devaluation of surrounding areas?
PostPosted: Fri Jul 12, 2013 10:22 am 
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TheJackal wrote:
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Preliminary works are underway this week.


About time.

So if this actually, 100% being built now? Or are there more court hearings, etc.?


Being built is one thing, Used is another.
@OP - prices are already too high in Sandymount and flooding/structural issues are more likely to be the number one concern.
IF it will be visible obtrusive from the house in question it may influence the price.
The incinerator in Duleek is much less ugly that what is already there.

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PostPosted: Fri Jul 12, 2013 10:32 am 
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Whilst it's hardly the same issue, waste disposal issues can affect property prices, as evidenced by Glendower House in Whitestown.

viewtopic.php?p=560182

If it bothers you as a potential purchaser it will probably bother other people, but this has been planned for such a long time so it ought to be no surprise to anyone.

Maybe that's why all the canny old duffers have moved out of Sandymount. :D

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 Post subject: Re: Poolbeg incinerator - devaluation of surrounding areas?
PostPosted: Fri Jul 12, 2013 10:38 am 
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if it's any comfort there are municipal incinerators in residential areas in the likes of Vienna, Stockholm etc that seem to not be a major source of concern to the locals in my limited knowledge. A bit of googling will reveal more I am sure.
FWIW if that is a concern of yours you should remember that major hospitals already have incinerators on site that I doubt would be as emissions compliant as a new build, Vincents probably has one.


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tommyt wrote:
major hospitals already have incinerators on site

Good point!

The problem remains both for Hospital areas and potentially for Poolbeg surrounds.


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FWIW if that is a concern of yours you should remember that major hospitals already have incinerators on site that I doubt would be as emissions compliant as a new build, Vincents probably has one.


Excellent point. However, I do think the incinerator *will* affect people's perception of Sandymount -- people have irrational fears of the big bad incinerator. Just look at what people think about power pylons and mobile phone masts :roll:

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 Post subject: Re: Poolbeg incinerator - devaluation of surrounding areas?
PostPosted: Fri Jul 12, 2013 11:19 am 
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The problem remains both for Hospital areas and potentially for Poolbeg surrounds.


Hospitals have very strict rules about waste disposal and dispose of a very controlled set of products.

People put all kinds of crap in their domestic waste.

So IMO it boils down to: how much faith do you have in the ability or desire of the incinerator operator to control what's being incinerated.

That's my opinion, mostly informed by brute ignorance and pessimism.

As as others have commented perception is everything, particularly for the sorts of people who live in posh areas of Dublin.

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 Post subject: Re: Poolbeg incinerator - devaluation of surrounding areas?
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Poolbeg contract terminated after €32m payments

http://www.irishtimes.com/news/environm ... -1.1603932


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The IT headline confused me - this is just a consulting contract. Incinerator is going ahead.

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aaajjjsss wrote:
Mantissa wrote:
But aren't there already 2 power turbines and a sewage treatment plant right there? Will the incinerator really have an appreciable effect on air quality? And that's assuming it actually ever gets operational.

I think the release of dioxins from incineration is the main concern, I don't know if this is an issue with power turbines or sewerage. It seems that the project has spent a fortune buying land so I would imagine they have space to start construction, rumoured for summer 2013. Anyone know anything more?



I think the risks if any are negligible. People tend to worry about very small risk such as incinerators. I have one 200m from my workplace. Anyway the greater nuance was from the smells originally at Ringsend, it appears less of an issue now. If smells couldnt put you or other people off i dont think you have anything to worry about.

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PostPosted: Wed Jan 15, 2014 9:51 am 
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Council paid double to relocate firm from Poolbeg site

http://www.irishtimes.com/news/environm ... -1.1655156

I can't find the actual report but here is the Local Government Audit Service website
http://www.environ.ie/en/Publications/L ... d.en.24148


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