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 Post subject: Re: Poolbeg incinerator - devaluation of surrounding areas?
PostPosted: Sat Sep 06, 2014 6:36 pm 
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Except the Greens want to keep them... :?


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 Post subject: Re: Poolbeg incinerator - devaluation of surrounding areas?
PostPosted: Tue Oct 21, 2014 9:58 am 
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€44m in public funding to go to the construction of the Poolbeg incinerator

http://www.rte.ie/news/2014/1020/653695 ... cinerator/


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 Post subject: Re: Poolbeg incinerator - devaluation of surrounding areas?
PostPosted: Tue Oct 21, 2014 11:38 am 
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Work begins on construction of Poolbeg incinerator

http://www.irishtimes.com/news/environm ... -1.1970738


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 Post subject: Re: Poolbeg incinerator - devaluation of surrounding areas?
PostPosted: Tue Oct 21, 2014 12:05 pm 
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I'd struggle to be impartial on this one as I have a mental image of John Gormless and Eamon Nice But Dim in fits of apoplexy


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 Post subject: Re: Poolbeg incinerator - devaluation of surrounding areas?
PostPosted: Tue Oct 21, 2014 1:11 pm 
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€44m in public funding to go to the construction of the Poolbeg incinerator

http://www.rte.ie/news/2014/1020/653695 ... cinerator/



Its a lot of money but its better than 4 or 5 landfills around the place. Are they going for the whole volume initially applied for or a smaller version? 16 yrs in the offing. Our planning system is definitely broken. NIMBYs and their pseudoscience are given too much airtime

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 Post subject: Re: Poolbeg incinerator - devaluation of surrounding areas?
PostPosted: Tue Oct 21, 2014 5:30 pm 
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The site for the incinerator is 800m from any human habitation from what I can tell.

The map below shows the parts of Ireland which are further than 750m from a dwelling. There are very, very few of them, given the amount of one-off houses.

Useful article, in the context of wind turbines, here: http://irelandafternama.wordpress.com/2012/11/26/wind-turbines-bill/

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 Post subject: Re: Poolbeg incinerator - devaluation of surrounding areas?
PostPosted: Wed Oct 22, 2014 7:54 pm 
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Did anyone else see on their website that they're proposing a "district heating" service for 50,000 homes? It appears to be a piped hot water system to nearby houses. Anyone know more? Sounds pretty cool, if real.

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 Post subject: Re: Poolbeg incinerator - devaluation of surrounding areas?
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http://www.irishtimes.com/news/environm ... -1.1973326

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About 100 protesters, mainly residents from the Sandymount, Ringsend and Irishtown areas of Dublin, which lie in the site’s immediate vicinity, gathered outside Leinster House where they expressed determination to organise and step up their campaign.
Rory Hearne of the Combined Residents Against Incineration group said there were several reasons behind the prolonged opposition movement, including the prospect of severe local disruption of traffic.


yet another name for the Peoples Front of Judea/Residents Against Racism/Anti Austerity Alliance

Rory Hearne - long time crusty agitator. Now an expert on Incineration


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 Post subject: Re: Poolbeg incinerator - devaluation of surrounding areas?
PostPosted: Thu Oct 23, 2014 10:49 am 
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slasher wrote:
http://www.irishtimes.com/news/environment/anti-incinerator-protesters-march-on-d%C3%A1il-1.1973326

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About 100 protesters, mainly residents from the Sandymount, Ringsend and Irishtown areas of Dublin, which lie in the site’s immediate vicinity, gathered outside Leinster House where they expressed determination to organise and step up their campaign.
Rory Hearne of the Combined Residents Against Incineration group said there were several reasons behind the prolonged opposition movement, including the prospect of severe local disruption of traffic.


yet another name for the Peoples Front of Judea/Residents Against Racism/Anti Austerity Alliance

Rory Hearne - long time crusty agitator. Now an expert on Incineration


Want to bet he doesn't live in the area?

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 Post subject: Re: Poolbeg incinerator - devaluation of surrounding areas?
PostPosted: Tue Dec 09, 2014 10:07 am 
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Questions over €10m spend at Poolbeg

http://www.independent.ie/irish-news/po ... 11982.html


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 Post subject: Re: Poolbeg incinerator - devaluation of surrounding areas?
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Mantissa wrote:
Did anyone else see on their website that they're proposing a "district heating" service for 50,000 homes? It appears to be a piped hot water system to nearby houses. Anyone know more? Sounds pretty cool, if real.


I looked into this a little more. According to Covanta, the plant will be constructed in such a way as to allow the connection of pipes to supply hot water to a network of local houses. It's up to DCC to decide whether they want to actually do this, and build the network of supply pipes (or allow some other utility to do this).

Covanta have apparently done this in some other markets, and it's run like any other utility -- you have a metered heat exchanger at your house. You get billed for the amount of heat you take out of the system.

Sounds like a decent way of doing things... there is obviously initial capex to build the pipes, but the heat is essentially free from then on.

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 Post subject: Re: Poolbeg incinerator - devaluation of surrounding areas?
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Mantissa wrote:
Mantissa wrote:
Did anyone else see on their website that they're proposing a "district heating" service for 50,000 homes? It appears to be a piped hot water system to nearby houses. Anyone know more? Sounds pretty cool, if real.


I looked into this a little more. According to Covanta, the plant will be constructed in such a way as to allow the connection of pipes to supply hot water to a network of local houses. It's up to DCC to decide whether they want to actually do this, and build the network of supply pipes (or allow some other utility to do this).

Covanta have apparently done this in some other markets, and it's run like any other utility -- you have a metered heat exchanger at your house. You get billed for the amount of heat you take out of the system.

Sounds like a decent way of doing things... there is obviously initial capex to build the pipes, but the heat is essentially free from then on.



That sounds way too innovative and doable to ever happen here.

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 Post subject: Re: Poolbeg incinerator - devaluation of surrounding areas?
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ESB defers decision on retention of Poolbeg chimneys

http://www.irishtimes.com/news/politics ... -1.2063452


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 Post subject: Re: Poolbeg incinerator - devaluation of surrounding areas?
PostPosted: Thu Feb 23, 2017 8:58 am 
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http://www.irishtimes.com/news/environm ... -1.2984949
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Poolbeg incinerator to fire up after 20 years of opposition
Waste-to-energy plant fitted with latest fire detection technology, says director



Two headed babies, coming to a middle class suburb near you...

meanwhile
http://www.irishtimes.com/news/environm ... -1.2985565

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Nappies, food and dead dogs: the rubbish found in green bins
Panda to pilot scheme to tackle households that put black bin waste into recycling bins


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 Post subject: Re: Poolbeg incinerator - devaluation of surrounding areas?
PostPosted: Thu Feb 23, 2017 9:41 am 
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slasher wrote:
http://www.irishtimes.com/news/environment/poolbeg-incinerator-to-fire-up-after-20-years-of-opposition-1.2984949
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Poolbeg incinerator to fire up after 20 years of opposition
Waste-to-energy plant fitted with latest fire detection technology, says director



Two headed babies, coming to a middle class suburb near you...

meanwhile
http://www.irishtimes.com/news/environm ... -1.2985565

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Nappies, food and dead dogs: the rubbish found in green bins
Panda to pilot scheme to tackle households that put black bin waste into recycling bins


The Panda scheme makes sense. Before I read it I thought it was softening us up for price increases.


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