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PostPosted: Sat Oct 19, 2013 11:56 am 
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Garda checks at industrial estates to clamp down on welfare cheats

GARDAI are to set up checkpoints on industrial estates and at airports in an attempt to weed out social welfare cheats.
Social Protection Minister Joan Burton has confirmed that gardai will be taken on by her department directly to tackle the issue.



I can't see how this will actually work.

Garda have no right to ask you where your coming or going unless they suspect you have committed a crime or are about to commit one???

http://www.independent.ie/business/budg ... 67349.html

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 Post subject: Re: Budget 2014
PostPosted: Sat Oct 19, 2013 12:02 pm 
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They rely on the ignorance of the general public to do this.


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 Post subject: Re: Budget 2014
PostPosted: Sat Oct 19, 2013 12:09 pm 
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If Boards.ie is a microcosm of public opinion, then there is widespread approval for these Gardai actions whether they are legal or not.


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 Post subject: Re: Budget 2014
PostPosted: Sat Oct 19, 2013 12:16 pm 
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It's not illegal but this along with other tax collection activities which are foisted on to the shoulders of the police force undermine their role as defenders of the peace in society.
You have be a fairly confident person to refuse to answer a question posed to you by a Garda.

Could be worse though. At least they are not beating the heads off people walking down the street like they do in Spain. Not much of a consolation though.


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 Post subject: Re: Budget 2014
PostPosted: Sat Oct 19, 2013 1:08 pm 
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Mossy_Heneberry wrote:
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Garda checks at industrial estates to clamp down on welfare cheats

GARDAI are to set up checkpoints on industrial estates and at airports in an attempt to weed out social welfare cheats.
Social Protection Minister Joan Burton has confirmed that gardai will be taken on by her department directly to tackle the issue.



I can't see how this will actually work.

Garda have no right to ask you where your coming or going unless they suspect you have committed a crime or are about to commit one???

http://www.independent.ie/business/budg ... 67349.html

I was under the impression that they need to have an official from the revenue department or other government agency to provide such a reason for stopping people and checking their status, tax evasion IS a crime.

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 Post subject: Re: Budget 2014
PostPosted: Sat Oct 19, 2013 1:31 pm 
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The Gardai have the power to stop you and ask your name and address, the DSP official does not. If the DSP official is standing beside the Garda at the time then they now have reason to believe you are working when perhaps you are claiming as well. Don't see anywhere that the Gardai are getting powers to ask more than stated above...


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 Post subject: Re: Budget 2014
PostPosted: Sat Oct 19, 2013 1:37 pm 
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dipole wrote:
It's not illegal but this along with other tax collection activities which are foisted on to the shoulders of the police force undermine their role as defenders of the peace in society.
You have be a fairly confident person to refuse to answer a question posed to you by a Garda.

Could be worse though. At least they are not beating the heads off people walking down the street like they do in Spain. Not much of a consolation though.

Their role is more than defenders of the peace...

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 Post subject: Re: Budget 2014
PostPosted: Sat Oct 19, 2013 1:43 pm 
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yoganmahew wrote:
Their role is more than defenders of the peace...

Garda Síochána agus an fear a bhailiú cáin


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 Post subject: Re: Budget 2014
PostPosted: Sat Oct 19, 2013 2:11 pm 
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owenm wrote:
The Gardai have the power to stop you and ask your name and address, the DSP official does not. If the DSP official is standing beside the Garda at the time then they now have reason to believe you are working when perhaps you are claiming as well. Don't see anywhere that the Gardai are getting powers to ask more than stated above...



No, they don't unless they have reasonable cause or suspicion.

Mind you, they'll just make it up as they go along.

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 Post subject: Re: Budget 2014
PostPosted: Sat Oct 19, 2013 2:27 pm 
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fungus wrote:
If Boards.ie is a microcosm of public opinion, then there is widespread approval for these Gardai actions whether they are legal or not.


If boards.ie is a microcosm of public optimism we're all fscked anyway.

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