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 Post subject: Re: Je suis Corbyn (+UK GE 17) For The Many not the few
PostPosted: Wed Feb 21, 2018 9:43 pm 
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Oh dear. The Tory attempt to smear Jeremy Corbyn as a traitor has come badly unstuck.

4 minutes long. Well worth watching.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/p05ywy1h

The Tories and the tabloids are waging war against the people and the sooner the people say 'enough!' and start fighting back the better.

A true WTF moment in British politics. Completely self inflicted as well, the Tories led on by the Daily Wail, et al. Talk of betrayal and traitors can and will backfire and if not used responsibly.
Whats the worst that Corbyn is going to do? Nationalise the fucking railways? "Next stop, Lubyanka!"
And yet the bloody Russians are the ones that pushed on Brexit.
The whole thing is bonkers.
The tabloids are deliberately creating the a climate of hate that will have Jeremy Corbyn murdered. I have absolutely no doubt about it.

https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/201 ... emy-corbyn
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/debate/artic ... pathy.html
https://www.pressreader.com/uk/the-scot ... 8578134576


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 Post subject: Re: Je suis Corbyn (+UK GE 17) For The Many not the few
PostPosted: Wed Feb 21, 2018 10:50 pm 
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london_irish wrote:
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Oh dear. The Tory attempt to smear Jeremy Corbyn as a traitor has come badly unstuck.

4 minutes long. Well worth watching.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/p05ywy1h

The Tories and the tabloids are waging war against the people and the sooner the people say 'enough!' and start fighting back the better.

A true WTF moment in British politics. Completely self inflicted as well, the Tories led on by the Daily Wail, et al. Talk of betrayal and traitors can and will backfire and if not used responsibly.
Whats the worst that Corbyn is going to do? Nationalise the fucking railways? "Next stop, Lubyanka!"
And yet the bloody Russians are the ones that pushed on Brexit.
The whole thing is bonkers.
The tabloids are deliberately creating the a climate of hate that will have Jeremy Corbyn murdered. I have absolutely no doubt about it.

https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/201 ... emy-corbyn
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/debate/artic ... pathy.html
https://www.pressreader.com/uk/the-scot ... 8578134576

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 Post subject: Re: Je suis Corbyn (+UK GE 17) For The Many not the few
PostPosted: Fri Feb 23, 2018 11:08 pm 
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I like to keep an eye on the UKpolitics Reddit and the FT comment sections at work and tbh from the minute the story broke nobody was buying it, I mean nobody . Everybody was asking straight away WTF the Tories/Mail/Express were thinking, I hope this turns into a major thing but alas it will probably be forgotten about this time next week.


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PostPosted: Fri Feb 23, 2018 11:11 pm 
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I like to keep an eye on the UKpolitics Reddit and the FT comment sections at work and tbh from the minute the story broke nobody was buying it, I mean nobody . Everybody was asking straight away WTF the Tories/Mail/Express were thinking, I hope this turns into a major thing but alas it will probably be forgotten about this time next week.

This time next week, the main story will be "It's bloody freezing!"

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https://www.theguardian.com/politics/20 ... spy-claims
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The Conservative MP Ben Bradley has apologised unreservedly and will make a substantial donation to charity for a tweet making claims about Jeremy Corbyn’s links to cold war spies, the Labour party said.

Bradley, who has more than 4,000 followers on Twitter, alleged on Monday that Corbyn had “sold British secrets to communist spies”. The tweet, which has since been deleted, followed newspaper reports claiming that Corbyn gave information to a spy during the cold war.

Corbyn was alleged to have met Ján Sarkocy, a Czechoslovakian diplomat in London who was expelled as a spy in the 1980s. Corbyn rejected the allegations as “ridiculous smears”.

Labour said on Saturday that Bradley, 28, had agreed never to repeat the allegations.


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 Post subject: Re: Je suis Corbyn (+UK GE 17) For The Many not the few
PostPosted: Mon Feb 26, 2018 12:37 pm 
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As Expected, the next Prime Minister? will oversee little change in March 2019:

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Corbyn confirms Labour would seek a customs unions with EU

Labour would seek a final deal that gives full access to European markets and maintains the benefits of the single market and the customs union as the Brexit Secretary, David Davis promised in the House of Commons, with no new impediments to trade and no reduction in rights, standards and protections.

We have long argued that a customs union is a viable option for the final deal. So Labour would seek to negotiate a new comprehensive UK-EU customs union to ensure that there are no tariffs with Europe and to help avoid any need for a hard border in Northern Ireland.


https://www.theguardian.com/politics/blog/live/2018/feb/26/brexit-tories-lash-out-at-corbyn-as-he-backs-staying-in-customs-union-with-eu-politics-live


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 Post subject: Re: Je suis Corbyn (+UK GE 17) For The Many not the few
PostPosted: Mon Feb 26, 2018 1:02 pm 
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Coles2 wrote:
london_irish wrote:
Coles2 wrote:
Oh dear. The Tory attempt to smear Jeremy Corbyn as a traitor has come badly unstuck.

4 minutes long. Well worth watching.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/p05ywy1h

The Tories and the tabloids are waging war against the people and the sooner the people say 'enough!' and start fighting back the better.

A true WTF moment in British politics. Completely self inflicted as well, the Tories led on by the Daily Wail, et al. Talk of betrayal and traitors can and will backfire and if not used responsibly.
Whats the worst that Corbyn is going to do? Nationalise the fucking railways? "Next stop, Lubyanka!"
And yet the bloody Russians are the ones that pushed on Brexit.
The whole thing is bonkers.
The tabloids are deliberately creating the a climate of hate that will have Jeremy Corbyn murdered. I have absolutely no doubt about it.

https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/201 ... emy-corbyn
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/debate/artic ... pathy.html
https://www.pressreader.com/uk/the-scot ... 8578134576


Andrew Neil, not a noted Trotskyite.

This is a sign of how the wider pressures on the UK - self-inflicted Brexit mess; general decline in global standing - are stressing the establishment to the point where they go a bit off the reservation. They are in danger of heading the way of the US where people were saying Obama was (literally) the anti-Christ etc. or that Bush is a scheming, irredeemable evil-doer. The middle-ground sober centrists seem to be on the sidelines.

Politically, some of Corbyn's views are out of the mainstream and not to my taste, but if he's elected by his electorate then you'd like to think he'd be respected by his own parliament at least on the most basic level.

To be fair to Corbyn, he has personally been fairly decent to others and never resorted to peddling baseless conspiracy theories about opponents. Maybe he will be the new centre after all...


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 Post subject: Re: Je suis Corbyn (+UK GE 17) For The Many not the few
PostPosted: Mon Feb 26, 2018 3:41 pm 
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Politically, some of Corbyn's views are out of the mainstream and not to my taste, but if he's elected by his electorate then you'd like to think he'd be respected by his own parliament at least on the most basic level.

To be fair to Corbyn, he has personally been fairly decent to others and never resorted to peddling baseless conspiracy theories about opponents. Maybe he will be the new centre after all...


The thing is, a huge chunk of his own MPs don't rate him. His parliament could be equally divided and get nothing done.

What's interesting to watch is how Corbyn can be seen as "decent to his opponents", yet pretty nasty things get done in Corbyn's name, but that he can say he has nothing to do with e.g. Entryist tactics at constituency level and shouting down and deselecting anti Corbyn MPs. He can be depicted as this sinless leader, but nasty things just seem to get done. Pretty eerie IMO

What's the Guardian's view of him these days ? I used to buy it on a Friday but not lately


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 Post subject: Re: Je suis Corbyn (+UK GE 17) For The Many not the few
PostPosted: Tue Apr 03, 2018 6:14 pm 
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I Gotta think Corbyn's team were clever at moving the discussion on with his latest meeting, breaking bread with the Jewdas group at Passover. Of course the Blairites come out of the woodwork to attack him for meeting this Jewish Group, but this is getting very silly now. Monty Python could have had a field day with some of this material.

By way of background of course, Corbyn was ordained by Momentum. Many at the top of Momentum are Jewish themselves.

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Labour anti-Semitism row: What is Jewdas and why is Jeremy Corbyn under fire for Jewish group meeting?
Allegations linking Mr Corbyn to anti-Semitism were "the work of cynical manipulations by people whose express loyalty is to the Conservative Party and the right wing of the Labour Party", the group added.

A spokesman for Mr Corbyn said he attended an event to mark the ritual feast of Seder on Monday with Jewish people from his constituency in a personal capacity and not in his official role as Labour leader.

"Jeremy was invited to a Passover Seder with Jewish members of his local community," he said.

The Campaign Against Antisemitism described Mr Corbyn's attendance at Monday's event as "a very clear two fingered salute at mainstream British Jewry".


https://www.standard.co.uk/news/politics/labour-antisemitism-row-what-is-jewdas-and-why-is-jeremy-corbyn-under-fire-for-jewish-group-meeting-a3804856.html


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 Post subject: Re: Je suis Corbyn (+UK GE 17) For The Many not the few
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I am definitely not a Corbyn fan, but the media furore of the last couple of days is faintly ridiculous. He was a raving anti-Semite, but now it seems he just likes the wrong sort of Jews -- the nasty anti-Zionist ones that object to Palestinians getting shot in the back.

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 Post subject: Re: Je suis Corbyn (+UK GE 17) For The Many not the few
PostPosted: Fri May 25, 2018 11:15 am 
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Corbyn is in Lifford today.
He crossed the bridge from Strabane accompanied by hordes of media


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 Post subject: Re: Je suis Corbyn (+UK GE 17) For The Many not the few
PostPosted: Fri Aug 31, 2018 4:23 pm 
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IHRA definition of antisemitism is not fit for purpose
31.08.18 | Geoffrey Robertson QC |
The definition of antisemitism adopted by the government is not fit for purpose, Geoffrey Robertson QC has concluded in an opinion prepared for the Palestinian Return Centre and published today. The definition does not cover the most insidious forms of hostility to Jewish people and the looseness of the definition is liable to chill legitimate criticisms of the state of Israel and coverage of human rights abuses against Palestinians.

Mr Robertson, an expert on freedom of speech and human rights, who has lectured on genocide at the Hebrew University of Jerusalem, has criticised Theresa May for adopting a definition which was not intended to be binding and which was not drafted as a comprehensible definition. By pivoting on expression that arouses hatred (a “very strong word”) it does not cover speech that arouses hostility and fails to protect Jews from many prevalent kinds of antisemitism. For this reason, Mr Robertson’s opinion evinces surprise that Jewish organisations are advocating acceptance of the full definition by the Labour Party and other organisations.

Mr Robertson examines all eleven “examples” attached to the definition and concludes that several of them are so loosely drafted that they are likely to chill criticism of action by the Government of Israel and advocacy of sanctions as a means to deter human rights abuses in Gaza and elsewhere. He says there is a particular danger that the definition will be used mistakenly, to defame criticisms of Israel by branding them as anti-Semitic.

Mr Robertson is particularly critical of the Prime Minister for “adopting” the definition without Parliamentary discussion and without the protection for free speech recommended by the Home Affairs Committee. Should any University or local council apply it, he says they should follow the Home Affairs Committee recommendation and add to it the clarification that “it is not anti-Semitic to criticise the Government of Israel without additional evidence to suggest anti-Semitic intent.” He adds that this should be added by any public bodies or organisations that adopt the full definition endorsed by the government.

Mr Robertson continues that “a particular problem with the IHRA definition is that it is likely in practice to chill free speech, by raising expectations of pro-Israeli groups that they can successfully object to legitimate criticism of Israel and correspondingly arouse fears in NGO’s and student bodies that they will have events banned, or else will have to incur considerable expense to protect them by taking legal action. Either way, they may not organise such events.”

The opinion concludes that whether under human rights law or the IHRA definition, political action against Israel is not properly characterised as anti-Semitic unless the action is intended to promote hatred or hostility against Jews in general.

https://www.doughtystreet.co.uk/news/article/ihra-definition-of-antisemitism-is-not-fit-for-purpose

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 Post subject: Re: Je suis Corbyn (+UK GE 17) For The Many not the few
PostPosted: Fri Aug 31, 2018 6:59 pm 
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IHRA definition of antisemitism is not fit for purpose
31.08.18 | Geoffrey Robertson QC |
The definition of antisemitism adopted by the government is not fit for purpose, Geoffrey Robertson QC has concluded in an opinion prepared for the Palestinian Return Centre and published today. The definition does not cover the most insidious forms of hostility to Jewish people and the looseness of the definition is liable to chill legitimate criticisms of the state of Israel and coverage of human rights abuses against Palestinians.

Mr Robertson, an expert on freedom of speech and human rights, who has lectured on genocide at the Hebrew University of Jerusalem, has criticised Theresa May for adopting a definition which was not intended to be binding and which was not drafted as a comprehensible definition. By pivoting on expression that arouses hatred (a “very strong word”) it does not cover speech that arouses hostility and fails to protect Jews from many prevalent kinds of antisemitism. For this reason, Mr Robertson’s opinion evinces surprise that Jewish organisations are advocating acceptance of the full definition by the Labour Party and other organisations.

Mr Robertson examines all eleven “examples” attached to the definition and concludes that several of them are so loosely drafted that they are likely to chill criticism of action by the Government of Israel and advocacy of sanctions as a means to deter human rights abuses in Gaza and elsewhere. He says there is a particular danger that the definition will be used mistakenly, to defame criticisms of Israel by branding them as anti-Semitic.

Mr Robertson is particularly critical of the Prime Minister for “adopting” the definition without Parliamentary discussion and without the protection for free speech recommended by the Home Affairs Committee. Should any University or local council apply it, he says they should follow the Home Affairs Committee recommendation and add to it the clarification that “it is not anti-Semitic to criticise the Government of Israel without additional evidence to suggest anti-Semitic intent.” He adds that this should be added by any public bodies or organisations that adopt the full definition endorsed by the government.

Mr Robertson continues that “a particular problem with the IHRA definition is that it is likely in practice to chill free speech, by raising expectations of pro-Israeli groups that they can successfully object to legitimate criticism of Israel and correspondingly arouse fears in NGO’s and student bodies that they will have events banned, or else will have to incur considerable expense to protect them by taking legal action. Either way, they may not organise such events.”

The opinion concludes that whether under human rights law or the IHRA definition, political action against Israel is not properly characterised as anti-Semitic unless the action is intended to promote hatred or hostility against Jews in general.

https://www.doughtystreet.co.uk/news/article/ihra-definition-of-antisemitism-is-not-fit-for-purpose

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Geoffrey Robinson, FFS. Is that the best they can do.

What slur? In the context of British hard left politics since the 1970's being "Anti Zionist" has always meant being anti-Semitic. Being against "Zionism" has only ever been weasel words for these people. The fact that Corbyn is just another thicko rich kid playing student union politics his whole life is neither here nor there. There is not a single group whose rhetoric in *arabic* has never once deviated from - Kill the Jews and take their properly - over the decades that Corbyn and his supporters have not supported and cozied up to over the years. When these "Anti Zionist" people are pinned down on their position the fact that the people they support are quite specific about glorifying the killing of Jews wherever they might be the "Anti Zionists" get quiet heated when forced to admit that really they dont have a problem with Jews being killed, well, because, of all the "suffering" they cause. And anyway, they all support Israel anyway...

The political calculus of Corbyns Anti-semitism is quiet simple. UK Muslims vote 70% plus Labour and are the group most dependent of government employment or welfare. They are concentrated in urban constituencies which are the easiest for the hard left to take over and control. Add that to the other three core Labour party voting demographics and the votes of the Jews and those appalled by Labour parties very calculated anti-semitism just does not matter. The hard left would be very happy controlling a rump party of around 100 seats rather than being any kind of broad based party of government. That was Militant Tendencies goal in the 1980', that is Momentum's goal now.

The only thing stopping a SDP style split of the current party by the moderates is the UK electoral system. If the UK had a French or German style electoral system the Labour party would have split long ago and Corbyns wing would quickly evolve into a updated version of the New Party. The people behind Momentum are just a modern version of the prime movers behind the formation of the New Party back then. Its amazing how effective the left leaning media in the UK have been at rewriting Labour Party history over the post war decades. Ramsay MacDonald almost totally disappeared from history and Mosley's New Party is rewritten as not a split from the Labour Party of its more radical members but as some sort of sinister "Right Wing" organization. Later on in the decade the NP picked up the usual right wing nasties that bob about in the politic sewer but it started as a split from the Labour party.

You would never know this from how its been portrayed in the media over the decades. The Labour party has a long tradition of very nasty left wing loonies but this is the first time they have actually been able to gain control of the party.


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 Post subject: Re: Je suis Corbyn (+UK GE 17) For The Many not the few
PostPosted: Fri Aug 31, 2018 7:20 pm 
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largely Jewish, Lansman and Schneider. Labour had a Jewish leader in 2015 despite only 15% of the small Jewish vote going to Labour. For such a relatively tiny constituency of the Labour vote members of the Jewish community cannot complain at that strong representation at the top table. Yet we still have this campaign against Corbyn, seemingly because he is getting close and he speaks out on the treatment of Palestinians. He hasn't been charged with saying much that the likes of Jimmy Carter or members of the Irish Dail and senate wouldn't have tabled on the issue.


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 Post subject: Re: Je suis Corbyn (+UK GE 17) For The Many not the few
PostPosted: Sat Sep 01, 2018 12:34 am 
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Epicurus wrote:
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The people behind Momentum are


largely Jewish, Lansman and Schneider. Labour had a Jewish leader in 2015 despite only 15% of the small Jewish vote going to Labour. For such a relatively tiny constituency of the Labour vote members of the Jewish community cannot complain at that strong representation at the top table. Yet we still have this campaign against Corbyn, seemingly because he is getting close and he speaks out on the treatment of Palestinians. He hasn't been charged with saying much that the likes of Jimmy Carter or members of the Irish Dail and senate wouldn't have tabled on the issue.


Its a little more than that, Corbyn is friends with or on good terms with some dodgy people on the Palestinian side, but then again May and the rest of the British elite think its Ok to associate with the likes of Benjamin Netanyahu

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