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 Post subject: Re: New nationalist, anti-immigration party launches in Irel
PostPosted: Mon Nov 21, 2016 4:48 am 
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In the same way that Catholic doctrine has changed since Nietzsche's time so has typical atheism. You would associate current atheism with post-Christian liberal scientific rational thinkers, who would tend not to be racist.

I think Friedrich's ramblings about phrenology serve the point that he is not a modern atheist in the way Pope Nick is not a modern Catholic. Why point to either of them ?

A Catholic Racist party would be seeking to wear the Catholic label as a badge. But would of course be incoherent.

An Atheist Racist party seeking to wear Atheism as a badge while pointing to 19th century science would be incoherent


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 Post subject: Re: New nationalist, anti-immigration party launches in Irel
PostPosted: Mon Nov 21, 2016 11:56 am 
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Jeeze.. we have just had another Brexit moment yesterday and you guys are talking about some crazy german horse hugging writer of literature philosophe. It looks like the French presidential election will be between a hard line traditional Gaullist and very hard line neo-Gaullist. French politics has just swung hard line nationalist.

Oh yeah, and the UK may soon have 15% corp tax.

It seems like 2016 = 1989 is looking pretty good by this stage. And six weeks still to go. Whats next. Dec 4 in Italy is looking good. Either way, end of status quo. I wonder are we going to have our Ceausescu in front of a firing squad moment before the year runs out. That happened on Christmas Day in '89. That video certainly made my Christmas complete that year. Nominations please...

I'd nominate Martin Schulz. If only on the principle of pour encourager les autres.

As for Ireland. Expect a FF/SF government sooner rather than later. Which will be your nationalist anti-immigration parties together at last in government.

Happy now.


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 Post subject: Re: New nationalist, anti-immigration party launches in Irel
PostPosted: Mon Nov 21, 2016 1:26 pm 
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jmc wrote:
Jeeze.. we have just had another Brexit moment yesterday and you guys are talking about some crazy german horse hugging writer of literature philosophe. It looks like the French presidential election will be between a hard line traditional Gaullist and very hard line neo-Gaullist. French politics has just swung hard line nationalist.


Fillon or Juppe are no radicals and they are not much of a nationalist. Sarcozy attempted a shift to the anti immigration only to utterly fail. It will be interesting to see of Le Pen can be defeated in the runoff. Id imagine she will get closer than before

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 Post subject: Re: New nationalist, anti-immigration party launches in Irel
PostPosted: Mon Nov 21, 2016 1:43 pm 
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jmc wrote:
Jeeze.. we have just had another Brexit moment yesterday and you guys are talking about some crazy german horse hugging writer of literature philosophe. It looks like the French presidential election will be between a hard line traditional Gaullist and very hard line neo-Gaullist. French politics has just swung hard line nationalist.


Fillon or Juppe are no radicals and they are not much of a nationalist. Sarcozy attempted a shift to the anti immigration only to utterly fail. It will be interesting to see of Le Pen can be defeated in the runoff. Id imagine she will get closer than before


Have you read any of Juppes or Fillons recent interviews?

Juppe is pure business as usually. A safe pair of hands. Fillon is a un-apologetic radical economic and social reformer, much more so than Sarkozy, who in his recent book nailed his colours to the mast about crushing radical Islam in France. I see little empty space between Fillon and Sarko on the fiche S people and the use of the state to destroy radical Islam. Either lock them up, deport them, or kill them when they show the slightest resistance.

Sarko lost because so many PS and FN voters voted in the primary. The PS hate Sarko and the FN knew he was the only candidate could seriously challenge Le Pen. So those 15%/20% of the votes were all anti-Sarko. Without them it would be Fillon v Sarko in the second round. With Juppe a poor third.

Le Pen is the one to beat. Unlike the last time around Le Pen *is* the working class candidate. Fillon can only win if enough middle class PS voters vote for him in the second round. Which will be far less likely than with the case of The Crook rather than the Fascist.

So dont be too surprised if this time next year we have Le Pen in France, the new age fascist Grillo in Italy, and a compete and total SPD non entity like Gabriel in Germany. Sweden has done just fine the last few years being run by a social democratic party non entity. So a bright future awaits us all under German moral / political leadership.


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 Post subject: Re: New nationalist, anti-immigration party launches in Irel
PostPosted: Mon Nov 21, 2016 2:25 pm 
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As for Ireland. Expect a FF/SF government sooner rather than later. Which will be your nationalist anti-immigration parties together at last in government.


SF, despite polls showing it's supporters are the most anti-immigration in Ireland, are essentially an open borders party.
FF, while having no principles other than getting elected, were in charge when over 10,000 'asylum seekers' a year were trooping into Ireland, with very few ever sent home despite the high refusal rates. They also gave full labour market access to the Eastern European countries in 2004 when they joined the EU.

Anti-immigration :roll:


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 Post subject: Re: New nationalist, anti-immigration party launches in Irel
PostPosted: Mon Nov 21, 2016 2:40 pm 
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jmc wrote:
werpen wrote:
jmc wrote:
Jeeze.. we have just had another Brexit moment yesterday and you guys are talking about some crazy german horse hugging writer of literature philosophe. It looks like the French presidential election will be between a hard line traditional Gaullist and very hard line neo-Gaullist. French politics has just swung hard line nationalist.


Fillon or Juppe are no radicals and they are not much of a nationalist. Sarcozy attempted a shift to the anti immigration only to utterly fail. It will be interesting to see of Le Pen can be defeated in the runoff. Id imagine she will get closer than before


Have you read any of Juppes or Fillons recent interviews?

Juppe is pure business as usually. A safe pair of hands. Fillon is a un-apologetic radical economic and social reformer, much more so than Sarkozy, who in his recent book nailed his colours to the mast about crushing radical Islam in France. I see little empty space between Fillon and Sarko on the fiche S people and the use of the state to destroy radical Islam. Either lock them up, deport them,


Thats just common sense

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or kill them when they show the slightest resistance.



Without any evidence id very much doubt that

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Sarko lost because so many PS and FN voters voted in the primary. The PS hate Sarko and the FN knew he was the only candidate could seriously challenge Le Pen.


Everyone hates Sarco
Hillary would even beat him


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So dont be too surprised if this time next year we have Le Pen in France, the new age fascist Grillo in Italy, and a compete and total SPD non entity like Gabriel in Germany. Sweden has done just fine the last few years being run by a social democratic party non entity. So a bright future awaits us all under German moral / political leadership.


It wouldnt be a great surprise however the SP and Left Party are unlikely to break to LePen

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 Post subject: Re: New nationalist, anti-immigration party launches in Irel
PostPosted: Mon Nov 21, 2016 3:31 pm 
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werpen wrote:

Thats just common sense

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or kill them when they show the slightest resistance.



Without any evidence id very much doubt that

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Again, do you follow French domestic news? The slightest resistance to a SDAT raid will get an extremely violent response. There have been quite a few a shot / injured while resisting arrest in the last year. The salafaists have learned by this stage it is not a good idea. Unless you want to die. The guy with the fake suicide vest (as it turned out) outside the police station in Paris was instructive. Simple warning, no response, shot in head. All over very quickly. No negotiation. Nothing. And not a squeak out of Liberation the following day. Just reported it matter of factly.

We live in a very very different France now. A President Le Pen is very plausible. An it now seems very likely.


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 Post subject: Re: New nationalist, anti-immigration party launches in Irel
PostPosted: Mon Nov 21, 2016 3:48 pm 
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The guy with the fake suicide vest (as it turned out) outside the police station in Paris was instructive. Simple warning, no response, shot in head. All over very quickly. No negotiation. Nothing. And not a squeak out of Liberation the following day. Just reported it matter of factly.

We live in a very very different France now. A President Le Pen is very plausible. An it now seems very likely.

That's a little misleading. Reports had him approaching a police station wearing what looked like a suicide vest, waving a butchers knife and paper Isis flag and shouting Allahu Akbar on the exact anniversary of the Charlie Hebdo killings.

What else were they supposed to do, throw croissants at him?

Hardly evidence in itself of a lean to the far right.

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 Post subject: Re: New nationalist, anti-immigration party launches in Irel
PostPosted: Mon Nov 21, 2016 4:34 pm 
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FreeFallin wrote:
jmc wrote:

As for Ireland. Expect a FF/SF government sooner rather than later. Which will be your nationalist anti-immigration parties together at last in government.


SF, despite polls showing it's supporters are the most anti-immigration in Ireland, are essentially an open borders party.
FF, while having no principles other than getting elected, were in charge when over 10,000 'asylum seekers' a year were trooping into Ireland, with very few ever sent home despite the high refusal rates. They also gave full labour market access to the Eastern European countries in 2004 when they joined the EU.

Anti-immigration :roll:


+1 can Jmc admit Fianna Fáil are not anti immigration ? Maybe they were when he was a child who knows ? Maybe all the evidence suggests they are pro immigration but jmc knows their innermost desires, De Valera style ?

Aside - it would be interesting to note how many toupe wearing FF cumann members own language schools


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 Post subject: Re: New nationalist, anti-immigration party launches in Irel
PostPosted: Mon Nov 21, 2016 5:32 pm 
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jmc wrote:
werpen wrote:

Thats just common sense

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or kill them when they show the slightest resistance.



Without any evidence id very much doubt that

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Again, do you follow French domestic news? The slightest resistance to a SDAT raid will get an extremely violent response. There have been quite a few a shot / injured while resisting arrest in the last year. The salafaists have learned by this stage it is not a good idea. Unless you want to die. The guy with the fake suicide vest (as it turned out) outside the police station in Paris was instructive. Simple warning, no response, shot in head. All over very quickly. No negotiation. Nothing. And not a squeak out of Liberation the following day. Just reported it matter of factly.

We live in a very very different France now. A President Le Pen is very plausible. An it now seems very likely.


I asked for evidence of Fillon views but i see there are not forthcoming
From what my french friends tell me of fillon is he is less of an absolutionist in terms of islam, i dont think he even buying into the banning of head scarf nonsense. He appears to be much more of a catholic conservative than many french leaders.

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