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 Post subject: Re: New National Maternity Hospital
PostPosted: Mon May 29, 2017 12:22 pm 
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Will this new charity have a catholic ethos a la Edmund Rice Trust? AKA a fudge.


Thats a good questions as the way that ERST works is that, rather than being an inactive trust/charity, it actively controls a schools Board of Management by appointing 4 members including the Chairperson.


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 Post subject: Re: New National Maternity Hospital
PostPosted: Mon May 29, 2017 12:52 pm 
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onioneater wrote:
DSE3Br wrote:
Will this new charity have a catholic ethos a la Edmund Rice Trust? AKA a fudge.


Thats a good questions as the way that ERST works is that, rather than being an inactive trust/charity, it actively controls a schools Board of Management by appointing 4 members including the Chairperson.


The coverage I've read has claimed otherwise - the group will be completely independent - but obviously the devil is in the detail.

Very welcome development if what I've read is true though. As critical as I've been of the nuns, this appears to be a decision taken in the genuine best interests of maternal care in the country, and I think appreciation is justified if so.


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 Post subject: Re: New National Maternity Hospital
PostPosted: Mon May 29, 2017 1:33 pm 
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The nuns have shafted the State by giving them a private hospital and land worth €100s of millions?

Who is going to be responsible for running of the hospital - HSE, the consultants or DoH. In the good old days the church could be blamed if anything went wrong - who will take the flack if we have another Ballinasloe?

Also I wonder will the State be forced to sell the private hospital or will it just be left to the consultants to run as they see fit :)


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 Post subject: Re: New National Maternity Hospital
PostPosted: Mon May 29, 2017 2:22 pm 
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Luan wrote:
The nuns have shafted the State by giving them a private hospital and land worth €100s of millions?

Who is going to be responsible for running of the hospital - HSE, the consultants or DoH. In the good old days the church could be blamed if anything went wrong - who will take the flack if we have another Ballinasloe?

Also I wonder will the State be forced to sell the private hospital or will it just be left to the consultants to run as they see fit :)

The private-medicine element of this is being under-discussed.
A nuns-run hospital will include private medical facilities on the grounds, which means consultants having private rooms and the whole co-mingling of public and private medicine that we see across the Irish system.
A fully publicly owned hospital would interact with that in a different way.


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 Post subject: Re: New National Maternity Hospital
PostPosted: Mon May 29, 2017 2:52 pm 
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Luan wrote:
The nuns have shafted the State by giving them a private hospital and land worth €100s of millions?

Who is going to be responsible for running of the hospital - HSE, the consultants or DoH. In the good old days the church could be blamed if anything went wrong - who will take the flack if we have another Ballinasloe?

Also I wonder will the State be forced to sell the private hospital or will it just be left to the consultants to run as they see fit :)

To be clear the nuns are not giving it to the state in any way shape or form.
They are divesting themselves from the limited company that already runs the hospital and that company is being rebranded.

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 Post subject: Re: New National Maternity Hospital
PostPosted: Mon May 29, 2017 3:02 pm 
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My understanding is that the NMH is a fully public owned hospital managed by a consultant dominated Board.

I also understand NMH consultants are able to service private patients during their public hours without the need to work the hours up at a later date - the argument being, private patients are equally entitled to the public service.

The NMH board has even allowed consultants (fertility clinic) to defer their rental obligations because times were hard during the recession.

Your general HSE hospitals have neither the management systems nor controls in place to manage this type of abuse.


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 Post subject: Re: New National Maternity Hospital
PostPosted: Mon May 29, 2017 3:10 pm 
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Terra Incognita wrote:
Luan wrote:
The nuns have shafted the State by giving them a private hospital and land worth €100s of millions?

Who is going to be responsible for running of the hospital - HSE, the consultants or DoH. In the good old days the church could be blamed if anything went wrong - who will take the flack if we have another Ballinasloe?

Also I wonder will the State be forced to sell the private hospital or will it just be left to the consultants to run as they see fit :)

To be clear the nuns are not giving it to the state in any way shape or form.
They are divesting themselves from the limited company that already runs the hospital and that company is being rebranded.
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:roll: To be precise they are transferring their shareholding in SVHG to a newly formed company with charitable status.

Rather than divesting their interest, they could have liquidated the group and distribute the net proceeds to the shareholders.

I am sure these would be substantial once the public hospitals were closed and the land sold off. They might even get a few bob for Vincents private.


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 Post subject: Re: New National Maternity Hospital
PostPosted: Mon May 29, 2017 9:17 pm 
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Luan wrote:
My understanding is that the NMH is a fully public owned hospital managed by a consultant dominated Board.

I also understand NMH consultants are able to service private patients during their public hours without the need to work the hours up at a later date - the argument being, private patients are equally entitled to the public service.

The NMH board has even allowed consultants (fertility clinic) to defer their rental obligations because times were hard during the recession.

Your general HSE hospitals have neither the management systems nor controls in place to manage this type of abuse.

The NMH is not publicly owned. It like St Vincents is a voluntary hospital. St Vincents has a corporate structure the NMH is established by Royal Charter (I kid you not) the charter establishing the hospital is managed by I think 100 governers.

The NMH consultants are able to service private patients presumably because there is no alternative private maternity hospital in the state. I would be surprised if they did not discharge their public contracts in full. If they did not that would obviously be wrong and shouldn't be supported in any way.

As for the fertility clinic (which operates as a not for profit charity and separate entity to the NMH), it was reported that the clinic is fully up to date with rent payments. Presumably, if that deferral had not been granted then the clinic would have had to turn away patients which is in no one's interest.

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 Post subject: Re: New National Maternity Hospital
PostPosted: Tue May 30, 2017 8:46 am 
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DSE3Br wrote:
Will this new charity have a catholic ethos a la Edmund Rice Trust? AKA a fudge.

It would appear not, I'm pleasantly surprised...
http://www.irishtimes.com/news/health/s ... -1.3100852


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 Post subject: Re: New National Maternity Hospital
PostPosted: Tue May 30, 2017 9:08 am 
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Col. Max Pyatnitski wrote:
The private-medicine element of this is being under-discussed.
A nuns-run hospital will include private medical facilities on the grounds, which means consultants having private rooms and the whole co-mingling of public and private medicine that we see across the Irish system.
A fully publicly owned hospital would interact with that in a different way.

Every hospital, I believe, includes private rooms on the grounds. It's a source of income to the hospital...

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 Post subject: Re: New National Maternity Hospital
PostPosted: Tue May 30, 2017 10:46 am 
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yoganmahew wrote:
Col. Max Pyatnitski wrote:
The private-medicine element of this is being under-discussed.
A nuns-run hospital will include private medical facilities on the grounds, which means consultants having private rooms and the whole co-mingling of public and private medicine that we see across the Irish system.
A fully publicly owned hospital would interact with that in a different way.

Every hospital, I believe, includes private rooms on the grounds. It's a source of income to the hospital...

And consultants :)


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 Post subject: Re: New National Maternity Hospital
PostPosted: Tue May 30, 2017 10:46 am 
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yoganmahew wrote:
Col. Max Pyatnitski wrote:
The private-medicine element of this is being under-discussed.
A nuns-run hospital will include private medical facilities on the grounds, which means consultants having private rooms and the whole co-mingling of public and private medicine that we see across the Irish system.
A fully publicly owned hospital would interact with that in a different way.

Every hospital, I believe, includes private rooms on the grounds. It's a source of income to the hospital...

Is it not actually better to have a separate private hospital on the grounds?

The alternative is to have private patients in the public hospital.

With a separate private hospital private patients can be accommodated in the private hospital and won't then take up any of the resource or bed space in the public. The public can fully concentrate on public patients without any co-mingling and competition for resources?

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 Post subject: Re: New National Maternity Hospital
PostPosted: Tue May 30, 2017 10:53 am 
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DSE3Br wrote:
DSE3Br wrote:
Will this new charity have a catholic ethos a la Edmund Rice Trust? AKA a fudge.

It would appear not, I'm pleasantly surprised...
http://www.irishtimes.com/news/health/s ... -1.3100852

Agreed, it is quite unexpected.

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 Post subject: Re: New National Maternity Hospital
PostPosted: Thu Aug 31, 2017 10:44 am 
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Permission granted for new National Maternity Hospital

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An Bord Pleanála has given the go-ahead for the new National Maternity Hospital at the St Vincent's Hospital site.

The permission approves the building of a 244-bed hospital at the Dublin site.

The new hospital will be built at an estimated cost of €300 million.

Proceeds from the sale of the current Holles Street Hospital will go towards the cost of the new facility.

The design of the new hospital will ensure that every patient has their own room and bathroom


https://www.rte.ie/news/2017/0831/90120 ... -hospital/

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 Post subject: Re: New National Maternity Hospital
PostPosted: Thu Aug 31, 2017 10:45 am 
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Chances of it coming in on time at €300 million ?


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