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Presidential Election 2018 Poll (you may change your vote)
Peter Casey 53%  53%  [ 31 ]
Gavin Duffy 0%  0%  [ 0 ]
Joan Freeman 3%  3%  [ 2 ]
Seán Gallagher 0%  0%  [ 0 ]
Michael D. Higgins 31%  31%  [ 18 ]
Liadh Ní Riada 3%  3%  [ 2 ]
Spoil Vote 10%  10%  [ 6 ]
Total votes : 59
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 Post subject: Re: Presidential Election 2018 Poll
PostPosted: Thu Oct 25, 2018 6:25 pm 
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The reason that I'd vote for Micky D is that he's essentially apolitical, which I think befits the position. His occasional lefty outburst is really just compassionate waffle, and I'm OK with that.

The others are just a bunch of losers and lunatics attracting losers and lunatics to vote for them.

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 Post subject: Re: Presidential Election 2018 Poll
PostPosted: Thu Oct 25, 2018 7:54 pm 
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Eschatologist wrote:
The reason that I'd vote for Micky D is that he's essentially apolitical, which I think befits the position. His occasional lefty outburst is really just compassionate waffle, and I'm OK with that.

The others are just a bunch of losers and lunatics attracting losers and lunatics to vote for them.


Attracting Losers and lunatics and...?

Or is that the full list?

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 Post subject: Re: Presidential Election 2018 Poll
PostPosted: Thu Oct 25, 2018 8:57 pm 
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Irish politics is depressingly vacuous.


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 Post subject: Re: Presidential Election 2018 Poll
PostPosted: Thu Oct 25, 2018 9:38 pm 
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Eschatologist wrote:
The reason that I'd vote for Micky D is that he's essentially apolitical, which I think befits the position. His occasional lefty outburst is really just compassionate waffle, and I'm OK with that.

The others are just a bunch of losers and lunatics attracting losers and lunatics to vote for them.


And therein lies the problem.


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 Post subject: Re: Presidential Election 2018 Poll
PostPosted: Thu Oct 25, 2018 10:38 pm 
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catbear wrote:
considering what Casey said was mild compared to the anti-traveler volcano of vitriol in the media at the time of the Padraig Nally case.


You've mentioned poor Padraig Nally several times and your subconscious mind probably thinks he shot your childhood traveller babysitter.

Wow, that a serious IMAX sized projection you're doing there.

For what it's worth I think his sentence was entirely justified considering what he had been put through up to that point.

I know plenty of farmers who leave empty shotgun shells around the front as a warning.

Not all travellers are Nally attackers.

Edit to add: I think the point that's been missed is that in the Nally incident it was a criminal matter. People of a traveller backround, and I've some in my own, get tarred with the crimes of a few. There's a hypocrisy at play, plenty of gangs with no backround in the Traveler community comb the country scoping out entire estates for doing over.

It's not a crime to be a Traveler just as being Irish doesn't mean I'm engaged in terrorism. I was actually asked seriously in a pub here in England last year if I was a terrorist when they heard my accent.


See there's no "hypocrisy in play" with normal people. Normal people do not engage in in-group thinking about their scumbag elements. We wholly accept that there are scumbags in our midst.

This is in contrast with the in-group thinking that the likes of Pavee Point engaged in around the time of the Nally case. 'No justice for Travellers ! You can shoot a traveller and get away with it!' They went in to bat for Ward. Astonishing stuff.

You believe that Nally shouldn't be in jail. But it was clear at the time that Traveller advocate groups think he should be in jail to this day.

The fact of the matter was that Ward was shot because he was a scumbag, not because he was a Traveller. Now their Travellerness gave their opponent a heads up that in the words of the judge they were "up to no good" i.e. scumbags. Because the fact is that finding two younger traveller-looking and traveller-sounding men walking through your house means in any man's language there's a crime going on and they're scumbags. That fact may annoy the Traveller advocates but it's a fact nonetheless. A Mormon would have been fine.

Being Irish doesn't mean you're engaged in terrorism. But let's say you and your 3 young fit friends decided to visit Gibraltar and raised suspicion. I never understood the hysteria about that shooting. It was a war. Get on with it.


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 Post subject: Re: Presidential Election 2018 Poll
PostPosted: Thu Oct 25, 2018 11:11 pm 
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Not too many agreeing with me here by looks of it but I thought Joan Freeman came across as genuine and honest anytime I heard her speak. What she’s achieved with Pieta House shows the dragons up for the selfish muppets they are. Sad state of affairs that the most talked about aspect of campaign is as result of cluelessness of Casey “cause I only just moved back to the country.” The whole anti-pc v righteousness debate seems to blind and polarize people. It’s divisive crap. Ultimately I think it would be good to recognise the good and decent rather than those pandering to either side of that pile of manure.


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 Post subject: Re: Presidential Election 2018 Poll
PostPosted: Thu Oct 25, 2018 11:21 pm 
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This is in contrast with the in-group thinking that the likes of Pavee Point engaged in around the time of the Nally case. 'No justice for Travellers ! You can shoot a traveller and get away with it!' They went in to bat for Ward. Astonishing stuff.

Your problem seems to be with an advocacy group for travellers but not with travellers themselves.

Fine. Point made.

Shouldn't Casey have turned on Pavee point then rather than going to Thurles. Is that where Pavee Point is based?

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 Post subject: Re: Presidential Election 2018 Poll
PostPosted: Fri Oct 26, 2018 2:13 am 
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catbear wrote:
GameBlame wrote:

This is in contrast with the in-group thinking that the likes of Pavee Point engaged in around the time of the Nally case. 'No justice for Travellers ! You can shoot a traveller and get away with it!' They went in to bat for Ward. Astonishing stuff.

Your problem seems to be with an advocacy group for travellers but not with travellers themselves.

Fine. Point made.

Shouldn't Casey have turned on Pavee point then rather than going to Thurles. Is that where Pavee Point is based?


He went to Thurles for the photo op. He invited Martin Collins to meet him there and discuss. That didn't happen.

Pavee Point went into bat on Thurles too. It's not on the level of astonishing as going in to bat in for Ward. Their indeological dogmatic and mad nature is shown by the inflexibility of their position on Thurles and their unwillingness to defend it against Casey's trenchant views (rather than RTE's softly softly interviewers)

I said before that if this row trundled on Saint Mary Robinson would weigh in. Actually it was Saint Leo who tried to shut it down. Pavee Point etc urgently need this story to go away. Because stories like Thurles will show the game is up (for their victimhood scrounging)


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 Post subject: Re: Presidential Election 2018 Poll
PostPosted: Fri Oct 26, 2018 7:32 am 
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It really says a lot about the poverty of Irish public life when a guy who nobody ever heard of until last week is running second in line to be President on the back of a few not that controversial statements about entitlement and Travellers.

When is the last time that somebody recognisable to the majority held any sway within the body politic? By recognisable, I mean someone who most people would feel themselves capable of holding a conversation with? Bertie Ahern perhaps? Maybe Cowen.

Ultimately those fools are responsible for the vaccum of agreeably bland, personality-absent, stand for nothingness that seems to be the norm these days. They fucked up the best opportunity Ireland ever had to get its house in order and ushered in the current era of Europhile shoneenism.

In the grand Irish tradition, we will preumably continue to adopt trends from elsewhere long after they have ceased to be relevant. Currently, we appear to be in something resembling a 70s Liberalism (with a dash of New labour PR) mode at a time when such a world view is in retreat almost everywhere else. Of course, when such an approach was actually progressive in the real sense, we were on our knees praying, having adopted and retained a version of hardcore fundamentalist Christianity long after it had been abandoned eveyrwhere else.

Its possible that over the next few decades we'll find ourselves in strangely familiar territory being the last bastion of progresive liberalism cast adrift from an increasngly populist Europe. We'll even have a geriatric in the Phoenix park who'll claim to know what the Irish people want simply by looking into his heart....and the high priestesses will cackle in approval...post-Populism it will be noted that, just like the Christian monks of old, Irish liberals kept the doctrines of identity politics and intersectionality alive during a time when all of Europe had been plunged into a Kurtz-like heart of darkness. Young European backpackers will come to hang out and observe a uniquely ancient culture with its roots in 20th century post-modernism (that has long since disappeared elsewhere in Europe) where men may get pregnant and women have penises.

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 Post subject: Re: Presidential Election 2018 Poll
PostPosted: Fri Oct 26, 2018 9:28 am 
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Eschatologist wrote:
The reason that I'd vote for Micky D is that he's essentially apolitical, which I think befits the position. His occasional lefty outburst is really just compassionate waffle, and I'm OK with that.

The others are just a bunch of losers and lunatics attracting losers and lunatics to vote for them.

'Deplorables' if you will!


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