Post new topic Reply to topic  [ 93 posts ]  Go to page Previous  1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7  Next

Presidential Election 2018 Poll (you may change your vote)
Peter Casey 53%  53%  [ 31 ]
Gavin Duffy 0%  0%  [ 0 ]
Joan Freeman 3%  3%  [ 2 ]
Seán Gallagher 0%  0%  [ 0 ]
Michael D. Higgins 31%  31%  [ 18 ]
Liadh Ní Riada 3%  3%  [ 2 ]
Spoil Vote 10%  10%  [ 6 ]
Total votes : 59
Author Message
 Post subject: Re: Presidential Election 2018 Poll
PostPosted: Thu Oct 25, 2018 6:25 pm 
Offline
Of Systemic Importance

Joined: Sep 13, 2012
Posts: 5358
The reason that I'd vote for Micky D is that he's essentially apolitical, which I think befits the position. His occasional lefty outburst is really just compassionate waffle, and I'm OK with that.

The others are just a bunch of losers and lunatics attracting losers and lunatics to vote for them.

_________________
"It's easy to confuse what is with what ought to be, especially when what is has worked out in your favour"
Tyrion Lannister


Top
 Profile  
 
 Post subject: Re: Presidential Election 2018 Poll
PostPosted: Thu Oct 25, 2018 7:54 pm 
Offline
Too Big to Fail
User avatar

Joined: Aug 21, 2009
Posts: 4518
Location: Mesopotatia
Eschatologist wrote:
The reason that I'd vote for Micky D is that he's essentially apolitical, which I think befits the position. His occasional lefty outburst is really just compassionate waffle, and I'm OK with that.

The others are just a bunch of losers and lunatics attracting losers and lunatics to vote for them.


Attracting Losers and lunatics and...?

Or is that the full list?

_________________
The real damage is done by those millions who want to 'get by'. The ordinary men who just want to be left in peace. Those who don’t want their lives disturbed by anything bigger than themselves. Those with no sides and no causes. Those who won’t take measure of their own strength, for fear of antagonizing their own weakness. Those people who roll up their spirits into tiny little balls so as to be safe. Safe?! From what?
Sophie Scholl


Top
 Profile  
 
 Post subject: Re: Presidential Election 2018 Poll
PostPosted: Thu Oct 25, 2018 8:57 pm 
Offline
Nationalised

Joined: Oct 29, 2007
Posts: 11761
Location: Multiverse
Irish politics is depressingly vacuous.


Top
 Profile  
 
 Post subject: Re: Presidential Election 2018 Poll
PostPosted: Thu Oct 25, 2018 9:38 pm 
Offline
Property Magnate

Joined: Oct 23, 2011
Posts: 667
Eschatologist wrote:
The reason that I'd vote for Micky D is that he's essentially apolitical, which I think befits the position. His occasional lefty outburst is really just compassionate waffle, and I'm OK with that.

The others are just a bunch of losers and lunatics attracting losers and lunatics to vote for them.


And therein lies the problem.


Top
 Profile  
 
 Post subject: Re: Presidential Election 2018 Poll
PostPosted: Thu Oct 25, 2018 10:38 pm 
Offline
Under CAB Investigation

Joined: Dec 2, 2013
Posts: 2688
catbear wrote:
GameBlame wrote:
catbear wrote:
considering what Casey said was mild compared to the anti-traveler volcano of vitriol in the media at the time of the Padraig Nally case.


You've mentioned poor Padraig Nally several times and your subconscious mind probably thinks he shot your childhood traveller babysitter.

Wow, that a serious IMAX sized projection you're doing there.

For what it's worth I think his sentence was entirely justified considering what he had been put through up to that point.

I know plenty of farmers who leave empty shotgun shells around the front as a warning.

Not all travellers are Nally attackers.

Edit to add: I think the point that's been missed is that in the Nally incident it was a criminal matter. People of a traveller backround, and I've some in my own, get tarred with the crimes of a few. There's a hypocrisy at play, plenty of gangs with no backround in the Traveler community comb the country scoping out entire estates for doing over.

It's not a crime to be a Traveler just as being Irish doesn't mean I'm engaged in terrorism. I was actually asked seriously in a pub here in England last year if I was a terrorist when they heard my accent.


See there's no "hypocrisy in play" with normal people. Normal people do not engage in in-group thinking about their scumbag elements. We wholly accept that there are scumbags in our midst.

This is in contrast with the in-group thinking that the likes of Pavee Point engaged in around the time of the Nally case. 'No justice for Travellers ! You can shoot a traveller and get away with it!' They went in to bat for Ward. Astonishing stuff.

You believe that Nally shouldn't be in jail. But it was clear at the time that Traveller advocate groups think he should be in jail to this day.

The fact of the matter was that Ward was shot because he was a scumbag, not because he was a Traveller. Now their Travellerness gave their opponent a heads up that in the words of the judge they were "up to no good" i.e. scumbags. Because the fact is that finding two younger traveller-looking and traveller-sounding men walking through your house means in any man's language there's a crime going on and they're scumbags. That fact may annoy the Traveller advocates but it's a fact nonetheless. A Mormon would have been fine.

Being Irish doesn't mean you're engaged in terrorism. But let's say you and your 3 young fit friends decided to visit Gibraltar and raised suspicion. I never understood the hysteria about that shooting. It was a war. Get on with it.


Top
 Profile  
 
 Post subject: Re: Presidential Election 2018 Poll
PostPosted: Thu Oct 25, 2018 11:11 pm 
Offline
Back Home with Mammy

Joined: Nov 18, 2012
Posts: 58
Not too many agreeing with me here by looks of it but I thought Joan Freeman came across as genuine and honest anytime I heard her speak. What she’s achieved with Pieta House shows the dragons up for the selfish muppets they are. Sad state of affairs that the most talked about aspect of campaign is as result of cluelessness of Casey “cause I only just moved back to the country.” The whole anti-pc v righteousness debate seems to blind and polarize people. It’s divisive crap. Ultimately I think it would be good to recognise the good and decent rather than those pandering to either side of that pile of manure.


Top
 Profile  
 
 Post subject: Re: Presidential Election 2018 Poll
PostPosted: Thu Oct 25, 2018 11:21 pm 
Offline
Too Big to Fail
User avatar

Joined: May 6, 2008
Posts: 4812
Location: the nearest faraway place
GameBlame wrote:

This is in contrast with the in-group thinking that the likes of Pavee Point engaged in around the time of the Nally case. 'No justice for Travellers ! You can shoot a traveller and get away with it!' They went in to bat for Ward. Astonishing stuff.

Your problem seems to be with an advocacy group for travellers but not with travellers themselves.

Fine. Point made.

Shouldn't Casey have turned on Pavee point then rather than going to Thurles. Is that where Pavee Point is based?

_________________
Every single frozen corpse in the Death Zone on Everest was once a highly motivated person.

Those who don't study history are doomed to repeat it. Those who do study history are doomed to watch everyone else repeating it.


Top
 Profile  
 
 Post subject: Re: Presidential Election 2018 Poll
PostPosted: Fri Oct 26, 2018 2:13 am 
Offline
Under CAB Investigation

Joined: Dec 2, 2013
Posts: 2688
catbear wrote:
GameBlame wrote:

This is in contrast with the in-group thinking that the likes of Pavee Point engaged in around the time of the Nally case. 'No justice for Travellers ! You can shoot a traveller and get away with it!' They went in to bat for Ward. Astonishing stuff.

Your problem seems to be with an advocacy group for travellers but not with travellers themselves.

Fine. Point made.

Shouldn't Casey have turned on Pavee point then rather than going to Thurles. Is that where Pavee Point is based?


He went to Thurles for the photo op. He invited Martin Collins to meet him there and discuss. That didn't happen.

Pavee Point went into bat on Thurles too. It's not on the level of astonishing as going in to bat in for Ward. Their indeological dogmatic and mad nature is shown by the inflexibility of their position on Thurles and their unwillingness to defend it against Casey's trenchant views (rather than RTE's softly softly interviewers)

I said before that if this row trundled on Saint Mary Robinson would weigh in. Actually it was Saint Leo who tried to shut it down. Pavee Point etc urgently need this story to go away. Because stories like Thurles will show the game is up (for their victimhood scrounging)


Top
 Profile  
 
 Post subject: Re: Presidential Election 2018 Poll
PostPosted: Fri Oct 26, 2018 7:32 am 
Offline
Of Systemic Importance

Joined: May 18, 2007
Posts: 6259
Location: On the Road
It really says a lot about the poverty of Irish public life when a guy who nobody ever heard of until last week is running second in line to be President on the back of a few not that controversial statements about entitlement and Travellers.

When is the last time that somebody recognisable to the majority held any sway within the body politic? By recognisable, I mean someone who most people would feel themselves capable of holding a conversation with? Bertie Ahern perhaps? Maybe Cowen.

Ultimately those fools are responsible for the vaccum of agreeably bland, personality-absent, stand for nothingness that seems to be the norm these days. They fucked up the best opportunity Ireland ever had to get its house in order and ushered in the current era of Europhile shoneenism.

In the grand Irish tradition, we will preumably continue to adopt trends from elsewhere long after they have ceased to be relevant. Currently, we appear to be in something resembling a 70s Liberalism (with a dash of New labour PR) mode at a time when such a world view is in retreat almost everywhere else. Of course, when such an approach was actually progressive in the real sense, we were on our knees praying, having adopted and retained a version of hardcore fundamentalist Christianity long after it had been abandoned eveyrwhere else.

Its possible that over the next few decades we'll find ourselves in strangely familiar territory being the last bastion of progresive liberalism cast adrift from an increasngly populist Europe. We'll even have a geriatric in the Phoenix park who'll claim to know what the Irish people want simply by looking into his heart....and the high priestesses will cackle in approval...post-Populism it will be noted that, just like the Christian monks of old, Irish liberals kept the doctrines of identity politics and intersectionality alive during a time when all of Europe had been plunged into a Kurtz-like heart of darkness. Young European backpackers will come to hang out and observe a uniquely ancient culture with its roots in 20th century post-modernism (that has long since disappeared elsewhere in Europe) where men may get pregnant and women have penises.

_________________
"It is difficult to be certain about anything except what you have seen with your own eyes, and consciously or unconsciously everyone writes as a partisan.”
― George Orwell, Homage to Catalonia


Top
 Profile  
 
 Post subject: Re: Presidential Election 2018 Poll
PostPosted: Fri Oct 26, 2018 9:28 am 
Offline
Of Systemic Importance

Joined: Nov 4, 2011
Posts: 6005
Location: SthDub
Eschatologist wrote:
The reason that I'd vote for Micky D is that he's essentially apolitical, which I think befits the position. His occasional lefty outburst is really just compassionate waffle, and I'm OK with that.

The others are just a bunch of losers and lunatics attracting losers and lunatics to vote for them.

'Deplorables' if you will!


Top
 Profile  
 
 Post subject: Re: Presidential Election 2018 Poll
PostPosted: Fri Oct 26, 2018 10:03 am 
Offline
Of Systemic Importance

Joined: May 18, 2007
Posts: 6259
Location: On the Road
Just to add with a bit more seriousness, Casey has definitely succeeded in highlighting what are seriously problematic aspects of the ideology that underpins both intersectionalism and identity politics to which all mainstream poiticos current appear to subscribe.

What I mean by that is that the ideologies themselves promote (pretty succesfully) the idea that group membership is more important than any idividual identity a person carves out for themselves. It was adopted by many on the left as a means of attacking what were viewed as pre-existing hierarchies such that, in the US initially and across the rest of the wesetrn world subsequently, the white male was elevated to oppressor status across the board. Within this paradigm any conflict/difference of opinion between a member of the white male category and a member of another group lower down the perceived social hierarchy, was/is in actuality a power conflict between the broader groupings....and this applies to every interaction involving all persons (not just white males) as according to the same ideology everyone (as part of a group) exists somewhere along the spectrum of hierarchy/victimhood. This proved quite useful for them when punching upward so to speak, and would be very much part of the playbook that groups such as Pavee Point would have employed over the past few years with a view to playing up the victim aspect associated with the Traveller identity.

However, problems arise when, as in the case of travellers, members of the group engage in serious criminality (as an example), especially of the sort that violently targets vulnerable people. Its quite clear that Travellers are disproportionately involved in such crimes and your defence of 'not all travellers' rings somewhat hollow when you have been, to that point, playing the blanket identity aspect in the opposite direction claiming victim status or associating everyone of a particular gender or race with blanket responsibility for historical crimes etc. In other words, if all white males are somehow responsible (on some level) for slavery, then all travellers are resposible (on some level) from rural burglaries.

Casey has, perhaps unwittingly, highlighted this this broader development in his comments related to Travellers. However, its not limited to them. Remember, during the 1980s when the conflict in the North was at its height? The reasonable perspective that we were all conditioned to accept was that some Brits were bad ie SAS/Loyalist Death Squads etc but quite clearly, the majority of English/British people are not like that. The message was always to pull back from such extremism because of where it inevitably leads. However, nowadays, in keeping with the broader fixation on identity politics such moderation appears to be in retreat. The following appeared in the New York Times last week, written presumably by a middle class Irish woman seeking to use Brexit as a means to hop on board the identity victim train under a headline "I didnt hate the English - until now"

https://www.nytimes.com/2018/10/18/opin ... rexit.html

Casey's comments, whether intentionally or not, appeal to an individuality that appears to have been lacking of late ie that everyone is equal before the law and that membership of a group is less important than your actions as an individual. Thats supposed to be the basic premise of post-enlightenment western thought. Im guessing that at least some people who are supporting him understand this instinctively and oppose the politics of identity on the same basis. Hes simply been the one to articulate something that many people feel, but for whom there has as of yet been zero political or mainstream cultural representation. Thats reason enough to give him a vote in what is an otherwise meaningless vanity contest.

_________________
"It is difficult to be certain about anything except what you have seen with your own eyes, and consciously or unconsciously everyone writes as a partisan.”
― George Orwell, Homage to Catalonia


Top
 Profile  
 
 Post subject: Re: Presidential Election 2018 Poll
PostPosted: Fri Oct 26, 2018 10:36 am 
Offline
Under CAB Investigation

Joined: Oct 19, 2010
Posts: 2670
Location: Dublin SE
@PTG great posts.

_________________
"Perfect is the enemy of the good"
Voltaire (1694 - 1778)


Top
 Profile  
 
 Post subject: Re: Presidential Election 2018 Poll
PostPosted: Fri Oct 26, 2018 11:19 am 
Offline
Of Systemic Importance

Joined: Nov 4, 2011
Posts: 6005
Location: SthDub
Poacher turned gamekeeper wrote:
It really says a lot about the poverty of Irish public life when a guy who nobody ever heard of until last week is running second in line to be President on the back of a few not that controversial statements about entitlement and Travellers.....

Epic post. Set me up for the day :lol:


Top
 Profile  
 
 Post subject: Re: Presidential Election 2018 Poll
PostPosted: Fri Oct 26, 2018 11:34 am 
Offline
Too Big to Fail
User avatar

Joined: May 6, 2008
Posts: 4812
Location: the nearest faraway place
Poacher turned gamekeeper wrote:
In the grand Irish tradition, we will preumably continue to adopt trends from elsewhere long after they have ceased to be relevant. Currently, we appear to be in something resembling a 70s Liberalism (with a dash of New labour PR) mode at a time when such a world view is in retreat almost everywhere else. Of course, when such an approach was actually progressive in the real sense, we were on our knees praying, having adopted and retained a version of hardcore fundamentalist Christianity long after it had been abandoned eveyrwhere else.

Ironically Ireland I believe is the one country in Europe that's never had a centre Left government in the last century!

_________________
Every single frozen corpse in the Death Zone on Everest was once a highly motivated person.

Those who don't study history are doomed to repeat it. Those who do study history are doomed to watch everyone else repeating it.


Top
 Profile  
 
 Post subject: Re: Presidential Election 2018 Poll
PostPosted: Fri Oct 26, 2018 12:19 pm 
Offline
Property Magnate

Joined: Oct 23, 2011
Posts: 667
Turnout reported to be very low so far. Will this have an impact? My gut is a low turnout favours Casey, particular if the turnout in rural areas is in anyway significantly higher.


Top
 Profile  
 
Display posts from previous:  Sort by  
Post new topic Reply to topic  [ 93 posts ]  Go to page Previous  1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7  Next


Who is online

Users browsing this forum: No registered users and 9 guests


You cannot post new topics in this forum
You cannot reply to topics in this forum
You cannot edit your posts in this forum
You cannot delete your posts in this forum

Jump to:  

Click for Latest Posts LATEST POSTS Click for Forum List FORUMS   

Follow, Retweet @dailypinster

  

Pyramid Built, Is Better Built!