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 Post subject: Re: France, popular revolt (Yellow Vests) What's going on?
PostPosted: Fri Dec 07, 2018 11:54 am 
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Seen the same headline everywhere ....Kids riot and get arrested.....And?


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 Post subject: Re: France, popular revolt (Yellow Vests) What's going on?
PostPosted: Fri Dec 07, 2018 12:04 pm 
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@taipeir,
whatta ya mean...and? Where are you posting from, N. Korea?


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 Post subject: Re: France, popular revolt (Yellow Vests) What's going on?
PostPosted: Fri Dec 07, 2018 12:07 pm 
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they go back to school and cause riot on Friday


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 Post subject: Re: France, popular revolt (Yellow Vests) What's going on?
PostPosted: Fri Dec 07, 2018 12:17 pm 
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I guess the French state is an ogre if it suppresses riot rights.

83,783 days since the storming of the Bastille! Viva la revolution!

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 Post subject: Re: France, popular revolt (Yellow Vests) What's going on?
PostPosted: Fri Dec 07, 2018 12:26 pm 
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It's significant, not particularly in itself, but because it will further ratchet up an already tense situation.

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 Post subject: Re: France, popular revolt (Yellow Vests) What's going on?
PostPosted: Fri Dec 07, 2018 12:43 pm 
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Police exhausted ahead of Saturday
"We've never experienced this, it's not even policing, it's urban violence we're dealing with, we've got the extreme left, the extreme right, suburban youths coming to take advantage of looting shops.." - policeman
Police Union Tables Strike Notice
The union Vigi joined the movement of yellow vests calling for an indefinite strike from Saturday
"It is time to organize legally and to be in solidarity with them, for the benefit of all," wrote the officials of the trade union


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 Post subject: Re: France, popular revolt (Yellow Vests) What's going on?
PostPosted: Fri Dec 07, 2018 1:04 pm 
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temene wrote:
Police exhausted ahead of Saturday
"We've never experienced this, it's not even policing, it's urban violence we're dealing with, we've got the extreme left, the extreme right, suburban youths coming to take advantage of looting shops.." - policeman
Police Union Tables Strike Notice
The union Vigi joined the movement of yellow vests calling for an indefinite strike from Saturday
"It is time to organize legally and to be in solidarity with them, for the benefit of all," wrote the officials of the trade union


Vigi have less than 4% support in the police rank and file and are a CGT affiliate union. So less to the story than meets the eye. Now if one of the big two police unions makes a public announcement of this types, thats a big deal.


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 Post subject: Re: France, popular revolt (Yellow Vests) What's going on?
PostPosted: Fri Dec 07, 2018 4:13 pm 
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The next French prime minister?...

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pierre_de_Villiers

https://www.causeur.fr/macron-pierre-de-villiers-gilets-156781

..and all over the French media the last few days.

A popular General steps forwards to save France from "civil war".

Plus ca change.


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 Post subject: Re: France, popular revolt (Yellow Vests) What's going on?
PostPosted: Fri Dec 07, 2018 4:42 pm 
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snaps wrote:
@taipeir,
whatta ya mean...and? Where are you posting from, N. Korea?


I mean regular folks will get sick of self appointed enforcers on street corners and criminals looting and damaging property.

You think folks in Paris will appreciate outsiders smashing their city up ?

You think parents will be happy schools are taken over by hoodlums and their kids can't get an education ?

If Macron is smart he'll wait for the public to tire of it all. Which they will. These yellow vests are just a mob.


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 Post subject: Re: France, popular revolt (Yellow Vests) What's going on?
PostPosted: Fri Dec 07, 2018 5:05 pm 
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On the plus side I'll be glad to see yellow vests ditched, there are many other high visibility options available that don't look cheap. The bloody things attract wasps too!

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 Post subject: Re: France, popular revolt (Yellow Vests) What's going on?
PostPosted: Fri Dec 07, 2018 5:44 pm 
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@taipeir
The choice seems to be.....(from the perspective of the protestors)
apparent perpetual austerity & status quo
OR
temporary riots & change.


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 Post subject: Re: France, popular revolt (Yellow Vests) What's going on?
PostPosted: Fri Dec 07, 2018 7:11 pm 
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taipeir wrote:
snaps wrote:
@taipeir,
whatta ya mean...and? Where are you posting from, N. Korea?


I mean regular folks will get sick of self appointed enforcers on street corners and criminals looting and damaging property.

You think folks in Paris will appreciate outsiders smashing their city up ?

You think parents will be happy schools are taken over by hoodlums and their kids can't get an education ?

If Macron is smart he'll wait for the public to tire of it all. Which they will. These yellow vests are just a mob.


Thats not how France works. Even in normal times. And we are not in normal times. In the last few days we have gone beyond 1968. Veering into 1961 territory. But without the OAS.

Still close on 80% support for the gilet jaunes. Even 52% of those who voted for Macron support them. A very interesting stat on its own. Macron was voted in on less than 25 % of the electorate. With an unprecedented number of spoiled votes. He has acted like he got some overwhelming mandate to change from the electorate whereas as he was only being tolerated on sufferance. Which has now run its course.

Macron no longer governs France. So it will be interesting to see who steps into the vacuum. There is a precedent for resignation. Voluntary or forced. DeGaulle did it in 1969. So there could be fresh presidential elections before 2022.


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 Post subject: Re: France, popular revolt (Yellow Vests) What's going on?
PostPosted: Fri Dec 07, 2018 8:22 pm 
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Apparently they have another list of demands.

- cut taxes to 25% of GDP (so half current levels)
- better public services/massive hiring of civil servants
- Leave EU & NATO
- Default on public debt
- New constitution
- less immigration
- Scrap CFA Franc in W Africa. (First time I ever heard of this) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/CFA_franc

If that list is true there really is something in there for everyone .

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 Post subject: Re: France, popular revolt (Yellow Vests) What's going on?
PostPosted: Fri Dec 07, 2018 9:01 pm 
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Tuppenceworth: It won't be just in Paris and France tonight that people are wondering and waiting, apprehensive -- will it all kick off tomorrow big time or will the street action be more subdued than last week? If it kicks off big time, then we should all start worrying; if it's just more of the same or less, then we're probably ok here for the next while.


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 Post subject: Re: France, popular revolt (Yellow Vests) What's going on?
PostPosted: Fri Dec 07, 2018 9:39 pm 
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Mossy_Heneberry wrote:
Apparently they have another list of demands.

- cut taxes to 25% of GDP (so half current levels)
- better public services/massive hiring of civil servants
- Leave EU & NATO
- Default on public debt
- New constitution
- less immigration
- Scrap CFA Franc in W Africa. (First time I ever heard of this) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/CFA_franc

If that list is true there really is something in there for everyone .

On the plus side at least they're not nostalgic for France's empire like Britain is.

I knew CFA was linked to the Euro but I don't see how Paris has any say in it if other countries link to the Euro, it's like saying it's a Dublin decision too! Even non EU countries like Montenegro and Kosovo use the Euro, and Ecuador, Panama, Zimbabwe, and Cambodia amongst others use or are pegged to the USD.

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