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Should Ireland Sign UN Migration Pact, Dec 10/11?
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 Post subject: Re: Dail Protest: UN Migration Pact 6.30pm (t'day) 6th Dec P
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Agit-prop demos are not the sort of thing people with sensible views on migration show up for. If Coveneys migration views stay topical chances are that anyone associated with them will get punished at the ballot box. Silently and resoundingly.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Twenty- ... of_Ireland

We know that in 2004 80% of voters had basically sensible in-group thinking views about migration from the 3rd world. 20% were the Far Left types , dreamer soft in head types, and empathic 'I feel your pain. I must help' types.

Now since 2004 a lot of sensible voters have sadly died off. To be replaced by easily manipulated, silly, millennial #savita airheads.

This crowd probably missed a trick tonight by not making a traveller pogrom too, get Peter Casey on board while the ire is up.


No, people with sensible views on the Traveller scam don't go to demos either. Although you're correct to imply the cross over of the Traveller and 3rd world migrant causes in the soft in the head and empath types. Blind love is all the one cause. To question blind love requires discernment. That's what the 80% ensures when the elite don't get to railroad them that is.


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This crowd probably missed a trick tonight by not making a traveller pogrom too, get Peter Casey on board while the ire is up.


No, people with sensible views on the Traveller scam don't go to demos either. Although you're correct to imply the cross over of the Traveller and 3rd world migrant causes in the soft in the head and empath types. Blind love is all the one cause. To question blind love requires discernment. That's what the 80% ensures when the elite don't get to railroad them that is.

Actually I take it back. Knowing travellers they'd be very much in the anti-abortion crew, you know, people with sensible views.

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catbear wrote:
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This crowd probably missed a trick tonight by not making a traveller pogrom too, get Peter Casey on board while the ire is up.


No, people with sensible views on the Traveller scam don't go to demos either. Although you're correct to imply the cross over of the Traveller and 3rd world migrant causes in the soft in the head and empath types. Blind love is all the one cause. To question blind love requires discernment. That's what the 80% ensures when the elite don't get to railroad them that is.

Actually I take it back. Knowing travellers they'd be very much in the anti-abortion crew, you know, people with sensible views.


You are correct in pointing out that Travellers do regularly let their ideological traveller scam supporters down - by doing things like beating up their wives. Beating them to death sometimes. They need some #metoo outreach reeducation summer school.


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You are correct in pointing out that Travellers do regularly let their ideological traveller scam supporters down - by doing things like beating up their wives. Beating them to death sometimes. They need some #metoo outreach reeducation summer school.

I didn't realise Graham Dwyer was a traveller. Learn something new every day off sensible people.

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catbear wrote:
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You are correct in pointing out that Travellers do regularly let their ideological traveller scam supporters down - by doing things like beating up their wives. Beating them to death sometimes. They need some #metoo outreach reeducation summer school.

I didn't realise Graham Dwyer was a traveller. Learn something new every day off sensible people.


You are correct though in bringing psychopathy into the discussion. Intergenerational abuse and inbreeding must surely be a central cause to increase the mental instability of travellers. Psychopathy being all too regular a feature.


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Reportedly a Lega Nord banner at the protest. Yes, immigrants can be a problem.

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 Post subject: Re: Dail Protest: UN Migration Pact 6.30pm (t'day) 6th Dec P
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Gemma O'Doherty shared the following on Facebook which is a video that some guy did at the demo....



She then interviewed some of the organisers later on here....much of her focus seems to be on Boyd-Barrett who was apparently jumping up and down with a megaphone....

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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AKAUf5b0qeo


I watched about 5 minutes of the first video and it seems to have been tame enough overall....roughly the same numbers protesting and counter protesting....

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 Post subject: Re: Dail Protest: UN Migration Pact 6.30pm (t'day) 6th Dec P
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Good to see the Irexit lads showing their true colours.

Reminds me of this...

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I don’t know if you can make massive generalisations about people who voted to leave Europe, because people voted to leave Europe for all sorts of reasons. It wasn’t just racists who voted to leave Europe.... cunts did as well, didn’t they?


Poll 1% shy of 90% for the "Cunts". :x

How about another poll for the number who have actually read the pact.

Had you read it before you created the poll? Why did you not include a link?

Here it is.

https://refugeesmigrants.un.org/sites/d ... ration.pdf


Reading through some of it while it clams itself to be 'non-binding' its obviously designed to create a framework within which all future migration policy drafted by the signatory countries will be crafted.

In this regard, briefly, some phrases that appear as follows -

These few suggest that some form of (presumably) UN-regulated agency/agencies will basically assume the current role of people traffickers...

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Promote and improve systematic bilateral, regional and international cooperation and
dialogue to exchange information on migration-related trends, including through joint
databases, online platforms, international training centres and liaison networks, while
upholding the right to privacy and protecting personal data
c) Establish open and accessible information points along relevant migration routes that can
refer migrants to child-sensitive and gender-responsive support and counselling, offer
opportunities to communicate with consular representatives of the country of origin, and
make available relevant information, including on human rights and fundamental freedoms,
appropriate protection and assistance, options and pathways for regular migration, and
possibilities for return, in a language the person concerned understands
d) Provide newly arrived migrants with targeted, gender-responsive, child-sensitive,
accessible and comprehensive information and legal guidance on their rights and
obligations, including on compliance with national and local laws, obtaining of work and
resident permits, status adjustments, registration with authorities, access to justice to file
complaints about rights violations, as well as on access to basic services
e) Promote multi-lingual, gender-responsive and evidence-based information campaigns and
organize awareness-raising events and pre-departure orientation trainings in countries of
origin, in cooperation with local authorities, consular and diplomatic missions, the private
sector, academia, migrant and diaspora organizations and civil society, in order to promote
safe, orderly and regular migration, as well as to highlight the risks associated with irregular
and unsafe migration


Note the follwing one contains reference to formalisation of the right (presumably of all migrants regardlessof status) to family life in their chosen destination ie signatories will work towards cementing the right of all 'migrants' to bring their children and indeed, extended family members, (in accordance with cultural norms and/or dependency requirements) with them. Think large extended intergenerational families.

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We commit to adapt options and pathways for regular migration in a manner that facilitates
labour mobility and decent work reflecting demographic and labour market realities, optimizes
education opportunities, upholds the right to family life, and responds to the needs of migrants
in a situation of vulnerability, with a view to expanding and diversifying availability of pathways
for safe, orderly and regular migration.


The following is a commitment on the part of the signatories to work toward the introduction of legislation designed to regulate their own labour markets in accordance with the details of the subsequent paragraphs ....note the fuzzy phraseology ie qute conceivable that 'discrimination' aganst anyone based on their legal (or otherwise) status may fall within any of these categories

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We commit to review existing recruitment mechanisms to guarantee that they are fair and
ethical, and to protect all migrant workers against all forms of exploitation and abuse in order to
guarantee decent work and maximize the socioeconomic contributions of migrants in both their
countries of origin and destination.


The following isnt fully clear but would appear to seek broad agreement from the signatories to work toward the extension of social security entitelements to all categories of migrant (again presumably without distinction)

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We commit to assist migrant workers at all skills levels to have access to social protection in
countries of destination and profit from the portability of applicable social security entitlements
and earned benefits in their countries of origin or when they decide to take up work in another
country.


The following would appear to seek agreement from the signatories to work toward some form of wealth redistribution from wealthier signatories to African countries and others to support their stated commitments to send as many of their own citizens as possible to Europe.

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We commit to support each other in the realization of the objectives and commitments laid out
in this Global Compact through enhanced international cooperation, a revitalized global
partnership, and in the spirit of solidarity, reaffirming the centrality of a comprehensive and
integrated approach to facilitate safe, orderly and regular migration, and recognizing that we are
all countries of origin, transit and destination. We further commit to take joint action in addressing
the challenges faced by each country to implement this Global Compact, underscoring the
specific challenges faced in particular by African countries, least developed countries,
landlocked developing countries, small island developing States, and middle-income countries.
We also commit to promote the mutually reinforcing nature between the Global Compact and
existing international legal and policy frameworks, by aligning the implementation of this Global
Compact with such frameworks, particularly the 2030 Agenda for Sustainable Development as
well as the Addis Ababa Action Agenda, and their recognition that migration and sustainable
development are multidimensional and interdependent.

To realize this commitment, we will draw from the following actions:
a) Support other States as we collectively implement the Global Compact, including through
the provision of financial and technical assistance, in line with national priorities, policies
action plans and strategies, through a whole-of-government and whole-of-society approach


Impementation as per follows

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We decide to establish a capacity-building mechanism in the United Nations, building upon
existing initiatives, that supports efforts of Member States to implement the Global Compact. It
allows Members States, the United Nations and other relevant stakeholders, including the
private sector and philanthropic foundations, to contribute technical, financial and human
resources on a voluntary basis in order to strengthen capacities and foster multi-partner
cooperation. The capacity-building mechanism will consist of:
a) A connection hub that facilitates demand-driven, tailor-made and integrated solutions, by:
i. advising on, assessing and processing country requests for the development of
solutions
ii. identifying main implementing partners within and outside of the United Nations
system, in line with their comparative advantages and operational capacities
iii. connecting the request to similar initiatives and solutions for peer-to-peer exchange
and potential replication, where existing and relevant
iv. ensuring effective set-up for multi-agency and multi-stakeholder implementation
v. identifying funding opportunities, including by initiating the start-up fund
b) A start-up fund for initial financing to realize project-oriented solutions, by:
i. providing seed-funding, where needed, to jump start a specific project
ii. complementing other funding sources
iii. receiving voluntary financial contributions by Member States, the United Nations,
international financial institutions, and other stakeholders, including the private
sector and philanthropic foundations
c) A global knowledge platform as an online open data source, by:
i. serving as a repository of existing evidence, practices and initiatives
ii. facilitating the accessibility to knowledge and sharing of solutions
iii. building on the GFMD Platform for Partnerships and other relevant sources


Thats only a brief 15 minute speed read. Its appears to be a pretty incredible document and its easy to see why the USA, Australia, Denmark and numerous other European countries are refusing to sign it. Indeed, its hard to believe that Ireland is going to sign up to this without any form of public or parliamentary debate around the matter.

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Reportedly a Lega Nord banner at the protest. Yes, immigrants can be a problem.


Recently swung through Lega'land. As usual the city is clean, well run and little different from any town across the border in Ticino. The economy has still not recovered to pre 2008 levels. Still pretty dead. Unemployment rates are down on 5 years ago but still nowhere near pre 2008 levels. This is by far the richest region of Italy. And right in the middle of this Rome has plonked a "refugee" center, cleared a whole block of public housing for central African "refuges", close to the downtown. Almost all young males. Not allowed to work while being "processed". Not that there is any work for them locally as none of them speak Italian or having any real skills and the local youth unemployment rate is well into the double digits. So outside the public housing you see groups of these young African men hang out all day. You see them around the city trying to kill time. You see a few of them doing "deals" with local kids. The locals treat them with cool indifference but they are not welcome.

Repeat this all over Italy at the moment, with tens/ hundreds of thousands of "refugees" stuck in these "processing" centers and you have a recipe for disaster. Unemployed and unemployable. This will end very very badly. They will be forced to leave one way or another. There is no work for them and the local population most definitely dont want them around.

So its very amusing to be tarred as a "racist" by some posters here who live in some lily white suburb of Dublin. For showing concern about a criminally insane UN plan to flood europe with many millions more of young African/ Middle Eastern men with no skills and no hope of long term assimilation. Posters whose only interaction with immigrants, I would guess, is with the well educated (very white) Eastern Europeans who migrated to Ireland perfectly legally.

Here is a question for all you smug gits who throw around the term "racist" - get to know any of the many magrebs who current live and work in Dublin? Know where they are from? How long they have been in Ireland? Probably not. The Irish are very good at ignoring the non-white immigrants in Ireland. Especially the IT readers who seem the quickest at labeling anyone who disagrees with them as racist. The majority of the magrebs, in my experience, are from Morocco and the francophonie. Which makes sense. With the rest from places like Libya, Syria, Iraq etc. But they are very much in the minority. The central /west Africans tend to moved from other European counties, where they were students. I know this because I talk to them. Which they always react to at first with surprise. As they are so used to the locals acting like they dont exist. Looking straight through them. These people in Dublin are very different from the almost two million, mostly young men, who are currently in these "processing" centers or who have disappeared into the ghettos of cites all over Europe.

And the UN wants to add not just millions but tens of millions more young men to this slow motion disaster. Because thats how many the German authorities estimate over the next decade who would be willing to cross the Mediterranean if they think they can get into Europe.

Yeah, its just racist to not want this human disaster to happen. For all concerned.


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She then interviewed some of the organisers later on here....much of her focus seems to be on Boyd-Barrett who was apparently jumping up and down with a megaphone....
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One less vote for Boyd-Barrett from me. Just as well People before the prophet only did so much damage already on the council.

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So its very amusing to be tarred as a "racist" by some posters here who live in some lily white suburb of Dublin.

Calm down dear. Nobody called you racist.

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To the right of the Gardai is the 30 odd PBP. To the left and the below picture is the silent protest ->
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Seems to be much larger counter protest there, fair play to them.


Fake news - See images above.


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Thats only a brief 15 minute speed read. Its appears to be a pretty incredible document and its easy to see why the USA, Australia, Denmark and numerous other European countries are refusing to sign it. Indeed, its hard to believe that Ireland is going to sign up to this without any form of public or parliamentary debate around the matter.



It's not hard to believe anything about politics and government in Ireland given the more important involvement of the banks in outcomes of votes and decision making that the populace who does elect the members and has them as "controllers" of government.
Irish Government and Politics is overall a DISEASE on the country.

My own view is that immigration can be beneficial, in a controlled situation, with small percentages of approve immigration and properly selected well balanced incomers who are willing to join and interleave with the local environment while adding value to the local society.

This isn't the view of Government or Politicians. They are doing are they are being told.

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Stephen Donnelly and a few more getting it in the ear in County Wicklow.

Note in particular the statement to the effect that Greystones (unlike other less salubrious parts of Wicklow) will no doubt remain untouched by the consequences of current migration policy....to widespread applause....


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