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 Post subject: Tesla - Pimping Elon's Ride?
PostPosted: Tue Feb 17, 2015 4:56 am 
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Could Tesla become an Apple product? Lots of talk recently that Apple wants to get into the auto biz, (and is already experimenting), or risk being frozen out by Google.
19 reasons Apple might buy Tesla.
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Apple will buy Tesla for $75 billion in 18 months. Wait any longer and Tesla will be too expensive.


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 Post subject: Re: Apple Products
PostPosted: Tue Feb 17, 2015 9:59 am 
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how much money has Tesla spent to get where they are now

for a few billion Apple could do much the same, so why spend 75 billion

but the up side is Musk would spend all his time and money on spaceX

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 Post subject: Re: Apple Products
PostPosted: Tue Feb 17, 2015 12:25 pm 
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Musk really is an incredible visionary.
Far superior than Jobs ever was.


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 Post subject: Re: Apple Products
PostPosted: Tue Feb 17, 2015 12:36 pm 
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mr_anderson wrote:
Musk really is an incredible visionary.
Far superior than Jobs ever was.



Yeah if Apple bought Tesla they'd be buying it to get Musk. They did that before, with the NeXT acquisition to get Jobs + the technology (Mach).

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 Post subject: Re: Apple Products
PostPosted: Tue Feb 17, 2015 12:46 pm 
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the dude wrote:
how much money has Tesla spent to get where they are now

for a few billion Apple could do much the same, so why spend 75 billion

but the up side is Musk would spend all his time and money on spaceX

apple should have started on a car back when the opportunity was there (and they were competing against the old incumbents as they were with iphone v1) - its too late now and they lack the vision / opportunity to catch up.

conversely tesla would be mad to sell to apple, they are the quintessential dumb money - they would need to be desperate for cash. everything good apple can offer tesla has already (including the most ambitious / talented staff) - maybe the pushy sales techniques or the artificial obsolescence?

even google (lost in the weeds of vanity AI projects) has at least recognised its place and just given its cash to SpaceX as an investor.

teslas problems are that it has almost too many opportunities and a key man risk in musk. apple would fix neither of those.

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 Post subject: Re: Apple Products
PostPosted: Tue Feb 17, 2015 7:20 pm 
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That suggestion that Apple might buy Tesla didn't just fall out of the sky. :)

Tesla's current val is $25B, has been $30B recently, not unrealistic to see it achieve $50B in the next couple of years if there is more good news. Apple is sitting on $180B in cash. Apple currently could buy something like any one of 485 companies on the S&P 500.
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Why Elon Musk thinks Tesla will be worth as much as Apple ...

https://gigaom.com/2015/02/12/why-elon- ... -a-decade/

Kinda funny to see people far removed from the situation express such dogmatic views.

Something of a convergence of interests here?
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Utility companies should be scared of Elon Musk. His solar panels and home batteries could disrupt the industry.
http://www.theverge.com/2015/2/13/80336 ... -utilities

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What Apple Just Did in Solar Is a BIG Deal - Tom Randall, Bloomberg

http://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/ ... y-big-deal


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 Post subject: Re: Apple Products
PostPosted: Tue Feb 17, 2015 7:29 pm 
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IS APPLE THINKING ABOUT ENTERING THE AUTO INDUSTRY?

The biggest rumor of the week is that Apple is thinking about entering the automobile industry. Its product would be an electric car. Apple knows a lot about electronics, has a mountain of available cash, and has crashed into industries in which it had no experience before. In fact, that’s been its specialty. Here’s the way Tim Higgins of Bloomberg describes the current situation: ‘Apple Inc. may already be positioned to evolve into a global automaker in many ways that other Silicon Valley companies aren’t. The Cupertino, California-based tech company has put a few hundred employees to work on a secretive project to develop an electric vehicle, a person familiar with the matter has said. While Apple often tests ideas that don’t get released, the work underscores the company’s long-held desire to play a greater role in the automotive space, which is ripe for more of a merging with users’ digital lives. ‘It makes a ton of sense,’ Gene Munster, an analyst with Piper Jaffray Cos., said Saturday in an interview. ‘If you would’ve said 10 years ago, ‘Apple is going to be in the car business,’ I think people would’ve said you’re crazy -- because it would’ve been crazy -- and today it’s a much different company that’s able to tackle these massive addressable markets.’ Apple, with a market capitalization that’s more than $700 billion, needs to continue growing sales in iPhones, its largest revenue generator, while also expanding into new markets, such as automobiles, if it’s to reach a $1 trillion valuation, Munster said. He added that he doesn’t think Apple would bring out a car in the next five years. Nonetheless, Apple boasts some advantages versus other Silicon Valley companies with car ambitions. Tesla Motors Inc., which delivers less than 10,000 vehicles a quarter, surprised investors last month when Chief Executive Officer Elon Musk said the company wouldn’t be profitable until 2020” There doesn’t seem to be any limit to the ingenuity out there in California.


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 Post subject: Re: Apple Products
PostPosted: Tue Feb 17, 2015 10:04 pm 
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CBMD wrote:
That suggestion that Apple might buy Tesla didn't just fall out of the sky. :)

Tesla's current val is $25B, has been $30B recently, not unrealistic to see it achieve $50B in the next couple of years if there is more good news. Apple is sitting on $180B in cash. Apple currently could buy something like any one of 485 companies on the S&P 500.
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Why Elon Musk thinks Tesla will be worth as much as Apple ...

https://gigaom.com/2015/02/12/why-elon- ... -a-decade/

Kinda funny to see people far removed from the situation express such dogmatic views.

Something of a convergence of interests here?
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Utility companies should be scared of Elon Musk. His solar panels and home batteries could disrupt the industry.
http://www.theverge.com/2015/2/13/80336 ... -utilities

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What Apple Just Did in Solar Is a BIG Deal - Tom Randall, Bloomberg

http://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/ ... y-big-deal


Tesla is pure dot.com. And without the massive tax-payer subsidies and CARB shake downs from other car manufacturers (especially Honda) is about as real a business model as Pets.com. I spent some time a few weeks ago kicking around the main facility in Palo Alto, its the old HP building between Page Mill and Arastradero, and it looked and felt like just another dot.com. It did not feel like a real manufacturing facility, like Boeing or Lockheed. It did not feel like a car R&D facility. Like Mercedes further up Page Mill or the VW Lab beside Oracle in San Mateo. It felt like just another Palo Alto VC dot.com company.

So another pump and dump operation currently in maximum hype mode angling for the cash out. About as good a deal as AOL circa 2000..

Just ask Time Warner how that particular acquisition worked out..


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 Post subject: Re: Apple Products
PostPosted: Tue Feb 17, 2015 11:21 pm 
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Tesla shares may be over valued but it is a real manufacturer

they plan on building half a million cars a year in 2017/18 and are building the largest battery factory in the world

they will soon be producing more batteries than the rest of the world combined

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 Post subject: Re: Apple Products
PostPosted: Tue Feb 17, 2015 11:28 pm 
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hunter.s.thompson wrote:
Tesla is pure dot.com. And without the massive tax-payer subsidies and CARB shake downs from other car manufacturers (especially Honda) is about as real a business model as Pets.com. I spent some time a few weeks ago kicking around the main facility in Palo Alto, its the old HP building between Page Mill and Arastradero, and it looked and felt like just another dot.com. It did not feel like a real manufacturing facility, like Boeing or Lockheed. It did not feel like a car R&D facility. Like Mercedes further up Page Mill or the VW Lab beside Oracle in San Mateo. It felt like just another Palo Alto VC dot.com company.

not like boeing or lockheed didn't benefit from tax payer subsidies themselves...

in fairness to tesla, if it is a dot.com pump-and-dump - building one the safest, fastest and most coveted cars in world is a clever marketing stunt. i'd have just run a few superbowl ads and set up an R&D Lab in Detroit beside some has been.

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