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PostPosted: Mon Jun 11, 2018 4:00 am 
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Eschatologist wrote:
The problem with shorting is that you have the same information as those who are holding, which means you think they're idiots, and so you're not betting against the company, or even the idiots, you're betting against the supply of idiots.

And unlike bitcoin or Model 3s, the supply of idiots is almost unbounded.


The supply of idiots and credit. But mainly idiots.
Its incredible you watch.
Interesting to see if they can manage to ramp up production off model 3.


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 Post subject: Re: Tesla - Pimping Elon's Ride?
PostPosted: Tue Jun 12, 2018 1:39 pm 
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Motorists 'are being misled by autonomous driving aids' - report. Tesla and Nissan among carmakers criticised for setting ‘unrealistic expectations’

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PostPosted: Tue Jun 12, 2018 3:09 pm 
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Motorists 'are being misled by autonomous driving aids' - report. Tesla and Nissan among carmakers criticised for setting ‘unrealistic expectations’

This seems to be an emerging narrative since the recent bad press and high profile failings, it seems like the proponents of autonomous driving technologies were all too happy to create these unrealistic expectations and watch share prices rise.


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 Post subject: Re: Tesla - Pimping Elon's Ride?
PostPosted: Tue Jun 12, 2018 4:46 pm 
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ps200306 wrote:
Motorists 'are being misled by autonomous driving aids' - report. Tesla and Nissan among carmakers criticised for setting ‘unrealistic expectations’

This seems to be an emerging narrative since the recent bad press and high profile failings, it seems like the proponents of autonomous driving technologies were all too happy to create these unrealistic expectations and watch share prices rise.

We are probably a decade away from anything approaching a self driving car. I.e. one where you can sleep safely at the wheel.

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 Post subject: Re: Tesla - Pimping Elon's Ride?
PostPosted: Tue Jun 12, 2018 8:08 pm 
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Tesla to cut 9% of jobs in major restructuring https://www.ft.com/content/85f61f5a-6e6 ... 13e5c92914 via @financialtimes

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Tesla is cutting 9 per cent of jobs across the company in a major restructuring that the electric carmaker insists will not impact its struggling production of the Model 3.

Elon Musk, chief executive, tweeted on Tuesday that the move was “difficult but necessary” as the company looks to contain costs while simultaneously increasing output of its latest model. The cuts amount to nearly 3,400 people, based on the 37,543 workers Tesla had at the end of last year.

“These cuts were almost entirely made from our salaried population and no production associates were included, so this will not affect our ability to reach Model 3 production targets in the coming months,” Mr Musk wrote in an internal email to employees.

He wrote that Tesla would provide “significant salary and stock vesting” to staff who leave.

“I also want to emphasise that we are making this hard decision now so that we never have to do this again,” he added in the memo.

The jobs cuts — thought to be the first company-wide cuts in Tesla’s 15-year history — come at a critical time as Mr Musk tries to convince investors that he can reach a sustainable financial position without needing to return to Wall Street to raise more money. He has said Tesla would have positive cash flow and profits in the final two quarters of this year, though the projection has not stopped many analysts from arguing that Tesla needs extra capital.


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 Post subject: Re: Tesla - Pimping Elon's Ride?
PostPosted: Wed Jun 13, 2018 10:10 am 
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It's good that they are focusing to some extent on profitability.

Weren't some of the bears already arguing that Tesla was top heavy on staff? I'm sure the bears will feel better now that this is happening.

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 Post subject: Re: Tesla - Pimping Elon's Ride?
PostPosted: Tue Jun 19, 2018 12:24 pm 
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Strange goings on @ Tesla ...

Tesla chief Elon Musk accuses worker of sabotage
https://www.bbc.com/news/business-44531777

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In an email to staff, Mr Musk said an unnamed employee made unspecified coding changes to its manufacturing operating system and sent sensitive data to unnamed third parties.


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PostPosted: Tue Jun 19, 2018 11:22 pm 
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Strange goings on @ Tesla ...

Tesla chief Elon Musk accuses worker of sabotage
https://www.bbc.com/news/business-44531777

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In an email to staff, Mr Musk said an unnamed employee made unspecified coding changes to its manufacturing operating system and sent sensitive data to unnamed third parties.



From what I saw after reading the reportedly fully message as was written by Elon the empoyee did admit to wrongdoing.
So, this is not about Elon accusing someone.
It's more about Elong describing that someone made an admission about wrongdoing at the company.

You can't beat the Irish ability to twist words....

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 Post subject: Re: Tesla - Pimping Elon's Ride?
PostPosted: Wed Jun 20, 2018 10:37 pm 
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They are suing a named ex-employee now:

https://techcrunch.com/2018/06/20/tesla ... -sabotage/


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 Post subject: Re: Tesla - Pimping Elon's Ride?
PostPosted: Thu Jun 21, 2018 10:10 am 
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wii4miinow wrote:
snaps wrote:
Strange goings on @ Tesla ...

Tesla chief Elon Musk accuses worker of sabotage
https://www.bbc.com/news/business-44531777

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In an email to staff, Mr Musk said an unnamed employee made unspecified coding changes to its manufacturing operating system and sent sensitive data to unnamed third parties.



From what I saw after reading the reportedly fully message as was written by Elon the empoyee did admit to wrongdoing.
So, this is not about Elon accusing someone.
It's more about Elong describing that someone made an admission about wrongdoing at the company.

You can't beat the Irish ability to twist words....


Teslas actions look remarkably like a SLAPP lawsuit under the guise of proprietary information / NDA infringements. The person who they are suing looks like they were trying to collect physical evidence for a whistle-blower / wrongful termination lawsuit.

Given all the other stories coming out of NUMMI in Fremont and HQ in Palo Alto recently Tesla is well into the Thernaos trajectory. Just a few year behind. Exactly the same sort of scam. The recent very unsubtle hints that Musk was dropping that the state should bail him out tell me that the state will be shoveling a few hundred million his way. To add to the billions already wasted.

In other news, Autopilot is still causing accidents and killing people. The accident in a south suburb of Salt Lake City recently being the most embarrassing failure. Perfect road conditions. Perfectly aligned well marked controlled intersection. Yet Autopilot still accelerated the Tesla into back of a firetruck stopped at a red light. The firetruck was bright red (not a yellow one) and had a large American flag on the back of it. Not exactly inconspicuous or scene low contrast.



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https://www.consumerreports.org/autonomous-driving/another-autopilot-crash-highlights-limitations-of-driver-assist-systems/


And here is a video of just how well Autopilot deals with the 101/85 HOV lane offramp in Mountain View. Where a Tesla killed a guy from Apple.



Thats typical 101 South traffic and that is the HOV/yellow tag exit for 85 West. Us non special people who dont qualify for yellow tags for single occupancy vehicle would be driving in the far left right for the 85 West transition.

From a CV/ scene recognition point of view and given the ultra high density GIS database info for that area that is an epic fail. Also remember this is on a freeway route that is the alternate route from Tesla HQ to the NUMMI plant. So would have been driven many 10k times by Tesla vehicles to populate their own GIS database. When it comes to product liability Autopilot is now well into criminal negligence / conspiracy territory. So if / when prosecuted execs will go to jail.

The only question now is when Tesla shuts down, just how much taxpayer money is lost, and if Musk eventually goes to jail for the fraud. Delorean produced thousands of cars that worked yet it eventually proved to be a giant fraud. Although more inadvertently than through initial intent. Whereas Tesla was always just another dot com scam company. Which is the only kind of company Musk has ever run.


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 Post subject: Re: Tesla - Pimping Elon's Ride?
PostPosted: Thu Jun 21, 2018 11:34 am 
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jmc wrote:
In other news, Autopilot is still causing accidents and killing people. The accident in a south suburb of Salt Lake City recently being the most embarrassing failure. Perfect road conditions. Perfectly aligned well marked controlled intersection. Yet Autopilot still accelerated the Tesla into back of a firetruck stopped at a red light. The firetruck was bright red (not a yellow one) and had a large American flag on the back of it. Not exactly inconspicuous or scene low contrast.
https://www.consumerreports.org/autonomous-driving/another-autopilot-crash-highlights-limitations-of-driver-assist-systems/

Amazing that she survived that crash at 60mph. She was reading her phone at the time.

No mention of the car accelerating at the time though. Have you another link?

The arguments here are similar to gun control. Is it autopilot that kills people, or people with autopilot.


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 Post subject: Re: Tesla - Pimping Elon's Ride?
PostPosted: Thu Jun 21, 2018 12:09 pm 
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jmc wrote:
In other news, Autopilot is still causing accidents and killing people. The accident in a south suburb of Salt Lake City recently being the most embarrassing failure. Perfect road conditions. Perfectly aligned well marked controlled intersection. Yet Autopilot still accelerated the Tesla into back of a firetruck stopped at a red light. The firetruck was bright red (not a yellow one) and had a large American flag on the back of it. Not exactly inconspicuous or scene low contrast.
https://www.consumerreports.org/autonomous-driving/another-autopilot-crash-highlights-limitations-of-driver-assist-systems/

Amazing that she survived that crash at 60mph. She was reading her phone at the time.

No mention of the car accelerating at the time though. Have you another link?

The arguments here are similar to gun control. Is it autopilot that kills people, or people with autopilot.


If you check out some of the local SLC TV station websites there is a lot more info. And I'm sure the NTSB will have a report too given how dangerous Autopilot is.

Its Teslas marketing of Autopilot that is killing people. Its augmented cruise control not an autonomous driving technology. Thats why MobilEye dumped them as a customer a few years ago. No way MobilEye could cash out by selling themselves to Intel if a customer like Tesla was making such fraudulent claims about how MobilEye autonomous cruise control technology was being used. So MobilEyes lawyers did the due diligence and Tesla was canceled as a customer as being too high a legal liability risk.

The proper autonomous driving technology is flaky enough and utterly unfit for public highway use without Tesla trying to coattail their cruise control feature as some sort of autonomous driving feature. Which it is not and never can be. So straight up consumer fraud. Normally the State AG's office and the FTC would have already stomped Tesla but given Musks very very deep political connections and just how much the greenie Dem politicians have invested in EV and related tech and just how much money is involved I expect a lot more people to die before Autopilot is finally shut down by lawsuits and regulatory enforcement. Given the related coverups in the past when there was far less money involved and given that EV's and renewables is worth around $5B/$8B a year in Cal alone I expect Tesla to get complete protection by the pols until they run out of money and are Chapter 7'ed. The complete shutdown of SolarCity over the last two years being the most likely model. Nothing to Chapter 11 because nothing of value actually there. Given GM's recent complete fiasco with the Cruise acquisition, they have already tried to greatly reduce their exposure by selling off a part to Softbank, I dont think there will be many potential buyers by this stage for the various bits of Tesla when they try to sell them off.

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 Post subject: Re: Tesla - Pimping Elon's Ride?
PostPosted: Thu Jun 21, 2018 12:33 pm 
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jmc wrote:
If you check out some of the local SLC TV station websites there is a lot more info. And I'm sure the NTSB will have a report too given how dangerous Autopilot is.


Found it.

I wouldn't recommend clicking though. A media heavy page.
http://fortune.com/2018/05/25/tesla-aut ... ire-truck/

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Based on car data, police believe that the May 11 crash in South Jordan, Utah, occurred shortly after the Tesla Model S matched the speed of a vehicle in front that was traveling at 55 mph. When that vehicle switched lanes, the Tesla automatically accelerated to its preset speed of 60 mph, neglecting to detect a group of stopped vehicles ahead, police say.


That is embarrassing, and downright f'n scary.
Personally, I just wouldn't use it.
Was never really a fan of cruise control either though.


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PostPosted: Thu Jun 21, 2018 1:02 pm 
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A bit more info about the whistle-blower angle....

Former Tesla employee fires back at lawsuit, claims he’s a whistleblower
https://www.teslarati.com/tesla-lawsuit ... -response/

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Martin Tripp, a former process technician for Tesla, is fighting back after receiving a lawsuit from the Elon Musk-led company. Speaking to the media, Tripp alleged that he only shared data with outside parties because he was trying to warn investors and the public about Tesla’s questionable activities.



TESLA, INC., a Delaware corporation, Plaintiff,
vs.
MARTIN TRIPP, an individual, Defendant.
https://www.courtlistener.com/recap/gov.uscourts.nvd.131251/gov.uscourts.nvd.131251.1.0_1.pdf

Working there since Oct 2017....


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 Post subject: Re: Tesla - Pimping Elon's Ride?
PostPosted: Mon Jul 02, 2018 1:55 pm 
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Silicon Republic wrote:
We want to make Ireland the centre of the universe for autonomous cars

Speaking at Inspirefest 2018, Jaguar Land Rover’s John Cormican said that Ireland’s west coast is a hotbed of autonomous car activity and could one day rival Detroit in stature.

While we tend to look at what’s going on in Silicon Valley and China for the latest in autonomous car development, little do people know that Ireland is quietly becoming one of Europe’s biggest developmental hotbeds for the technology.

‘Driving’ much of this development is the recently established Jaguar Land Rover automotive research centre in Shannon, Co Clare. This centre is not only developing the technology for electric vehicles, but also aims to give those vehicles Level 4 autonomy
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But even beyond this, the west of Ireland is an ideal proving ground for self-driving cars given that unlike the dry, straight roads in California and Arizona, Ireland has some of the most challenging driving conditions possible.

“We have grass on the road, we have sheep on the road, we have stones on the road, we have potholes and we have very interesting weather conditions,” he said.

“If we can get this right for the west of Ireland, we can do it anywhere in the world.”


Who'd a thunk our shitty roads would be an asset!

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