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 Post subject: Re: Tesla - Pimping Elon's Ride?
PostPosted: Thu Oct 04, 2018 7:33 am 
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Folks buy Tesla all over the world. Don't see how that's a scam.


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 Post subject: Re: Tesla - Pimping Elon's Ride?
PostPosted: Thu Oct 04, 2018 8:00 am 
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@quackquack
There is some very advanced technology inside the Tesla this is true.
The electronics and the motor are amazing feats of engineering.
IMHO, the problem (for all EVs) is still the battery and its suitability for mass production and mass use.
How recyclable is it? -> % put back in remade batteries (waste) and energy required (cost) to do so. (closed loop system)
What is the batteries cycle capacity before degradation? -> Effects resale economics (& What is the cost of battery replacement?)

The French EV's were quite sophisticated. (There were many other French companies involved in their production)
They were designed around a particular brief.

I would agree with @JMC in that history shows us there are many hidden agendas, intrigues, plots, ploys, scams & schemes.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/General_M ... conspiracy
This could be another one. Time will tell.


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 Post subject: Re: Tesla - Pimping Elon's Ride?
PostPosted: Thu Oct 04, 2018 12:30 pm 
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Jmc. If i had a tesla for every time u mentioned u live in cali, id have taken their last quarters entire production run. I doubt elon is too concerned with you passing his house giving him the finger. He probably has more interesting stuff to worry about/do.
I vaguely remember u mentioned that you drive mid-eighties bmws and claiming that their brakes were superior to modern cars, which is idiotic. My apologies if that wasnt u, but i am pretty sure it was.
Tax breaks for industries are nothing new. Why is there a bmw plant in spartenberg? Not too many electrics coming out of that....
Anyway, you seem to have plenty of tome to spit out Siri like rants, full of chunks of info, but making no overall sense.
The model 3 is outselling the bmw 3 series, just like the s outsells the 7. Bmw are very worried.....
Say hi to Elon the next time you meet. Im sure he'd love to hear your opinions...


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 Post subject: Re: Tesla - Pimping Elon's Ride?
PostPosted: Thu Oct 04, 2018 1:00 pm 
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Within the cult of technology Tesla is a sacred object.
When Tech bubble 2.0 pops, Tesla will fall,
and many a nerd will shed a tear.


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 Post subject: Re: Tesla - Pimping Elon's Ride?
PostPosted: Thu Oct 04, 2018 1:37 pm 
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snaps wrote:
Within the cult of technology Tesla is a sacred object.
When Tech bubble 2.0 pops, Tesla will fall,
and many a nerd will shed a tear.


Evs will live on, and they are a lot more exciting to drive that diesels thankfully.

Dont get me wrong.
I race internal combustion engine cars.
But there is something about launching an suv 5 up and getting to 60 in 2.8 or so seconds or so that makes u realise that the world is changing.

And like him or hate him, musk was the Jobs of his era and his industry.

No amount of god awful leafs would have made that happen.


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 Post subject: Re: Tesla - Pimping Elon's Ride?
PostPosted: Thu Oct 04, 2018 1:49 pm 
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Musk a great marketer, he's clever too. But it's not about him.
This is about the market and where we are in the cycle. He was bootstrapping all the way along but he now looks to be running out of runway.

As one of Tesla/Musks long time detractors say....the jaws are closing on Tesla.
https://www.cnbc.com/2018/09/18/tesla-i ... -lutz.html

Musk's magic is fading: Is the "tech 2.0" bubble about to burst?
https://bigthink.com/mike-colagrossi/mu ... t-to-burst

In the long term a big clear out might be a good thing.
EV's will continue on after a crash and once the battery is cracked they'll be massive.


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 Post subject: Re: Tesla - Pimping Elon's Ride?
PostPosted: Thu Oct 04, 2018 2:51 pm 
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Imagine if Tesla launched a proper basic model.
No bells or whistles, no autopilot kits, and a Fiat 500 trim.
Would probably be able to undercut the Leaf even in Ireland.


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 Post subject: Re: Tesla - Pimping Elon's Ride?
PostPosted: Thu Oct 04, 2018 3:21 pm 
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If/when the federal reserve raises interest rates enough its game over for a lot of companies and businesses that rely on the current bubble.
Tesla is one of them imo.
Tesla has nothing that is unique, it's a car with an electric motor.
Electric motors have been around longer than the ice.
I do admire musk playing the game though. His bs is quality bs


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 Post subject: Re: Tesla - Pimping Elon's Ride?
PostPosted: Fri Oct 05, 2018 1:19 am 
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E92 335i wrote:
If/when the federal reserve raises interest rates enough its game over for a lot of companies and businesses that rely on the current bubble.
Tesla is one of them imo.
Tesla has nothing that is unique, it's a car with an electric motor.
Electric motors have been around longer than the ice.
I do admire musk playing the game though. His bs is quality bs


What it has uniquely though, is sales.
Tesla sold more cars than BMW in the US in August (cars only, not including SUVs/CUVs). Read that again!
Sales the German brands can only look back in awe at.

Not too sure why I am even defending them - But just hate to see bs go unanswered. (Not intended as a dig at you 335i)

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 Post subject: Re: Tesla - Pimping Elon's Ride?
PostPosted: Fri Oct 05, 2018 8:00 am 
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But like BMW, they need options to make the margins.

Tesla aren't shipping cheap cars because they can't make cars cheap.

Elon Musk in May 2018 wrote:
Shipping min cost Model 3 right away wd cause Tesla to lose money & die. Need 3 to 6 months after 5k/wk to ship $35k Tesla & live.

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