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 Post subject: Re: Tesla - Pimping Elon's Ride?
PostPosted: Fri Nov 02, 2018 6:59 pm 
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All the toasters get turned on every workday morning. :x

Ah, but what if people turned kettles on at the same time too? What then? :D

What a day everyone gets a cuppa tea and a slice of toast before work! I'm looking forward to it.

Power usage for full ev is estimated to be 10 to 15per cent. We are aiming for full ev around 2050 ffs. Hardly even an issue. Data centers must use as much already


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 Post subject: Re: Tesla - Pimping Elon's Ride?
PostPosted: Sat Nov 03, 2018 11:12 am 
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tulip wrote:
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All the toasters get turned on every workday morning. :x

Ah, but what if people turned kettles on at the same time too? What then? :D

What a day everyone gets a cuppa tea and a slice of toast before work! I'm looking forward to it.

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PostPosted: Fri Nov 23, 2018 8:44 pm 
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Tesla Battery pack fire, or how not to reuse Tesla Batteries.


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I knew about the 18650 and 2170 battery formats stuffed inside the Tesla. But actually seeing them all lined up like cartridges on an ammo belt makes me think surely this can't be the future of battery technology! Must be a manufacturing and recycling nightmare.

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PostPosted: Sat Nov 24, 2018 12:42 am 
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I knew about the 18650 and 2170 battery formats stuffed inside the Tesla. But actually seeing them all lined up like cartridges on an ammo belt makes me think surely this can't be the future of battery technology! Must be a manufacturing and recycling nightmare.


I have been through this exact thought process.
Lookup the recycling process of batteries. Lead acids are the easiest. Lithium's have all sorts of inferno horror stories. (After that...You start thinking....is this it?.....the future of transport?....hmmmm)


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PostPosted: Sat Nov 24, 2018 1:11 am 
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I knew about the 18650 and 2170 battery formats stuffed inside the Tesla. But actually seeing them all lined up like cartridges on an ammo belt makes me think surely this can't be the future of battery technology! Must be a manufacturing and recycling nightmare.


Tesla only used 18650 cells at the start because that was the cheapest way to build battery packs, I assume they thought long and hard about the issue before they build the Giga factory

I suspect module in the video above had no BMS, its just a salvaged or recycled section of a crashed Model S/3, hackers love cheap cells from crashed cars but they need to be careful

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 Post subject: Re: Tesla - Pimping Elon's Ride?
PostPosted: Sat Nov 24, 2018 11:47 am 
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Yep! no protection circuitry and the packs were physically abused before the incident as well.
Just a very clear lesson in how not to treat the batteries.
The previous video shows the car being hammered!

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At the end of the video he says that the battery cooling circuit was disconnected and the battery management controller was also disconnected.

But yes, a cautionary tale that these batterie packs are not toys.

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Friend dropped his portable phone charger (effectively a battery).
When it hit the ground it exploded. We were both really surprised how easy it went up in flames.


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Possible good news for some piesters:

https://www.theguardian.com/technology/ ... e-of-death


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Ardillaun wrote:
Possible good news for some piesters:

https://www.theguardian.com/technology/ ... e-of-death


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So … there’s a good chance you die there. We think you can come back but we’re not sure. Now, does that sound like an escape hatch for rich people?”

Indeed, that's New Zealand.

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 Post subject: Re: Tesla - Pimping Elon's Ride?
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Ardillaun wrote:
Possible good news for some piesters:

https://www.theguardian.com/technology/ ... e-of-death


I bet jmc would help fund a scheme like the one below for Musk

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 Post subject: Re: Tesla - Pimping Elon's Ride?
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double down wrote:
The half time kettle effect is well documented.
http://wordpress.mrreid.org/2010/06/23/ ... uantified/


Yeah but everyone plugging in their EV to charge overnight is not the same as everyone plugging in the kettle during half time. Not everyone in the Country is going to buy an EV tomorrow and start charging them when coronation street has an ad break. The load related to EV's will gradually increase as ownership increases which will mean that the baseload from 5pm onwards will have to be increased gradually too.

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 Post subject: Re: Tesla - Pimping Elon's Ride?
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tulip wrote:
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The half time kettle effect is well documented.
http://wordpress.mrreid.org/2010/06/23/ ... uantified/


Yeah but everyone plugging in their EV to charge overnight is not the same as everyone plugging in the kettle during half time. Not everyone in the Country is going to buy an EV tomorrow and start charging them when coronation street has an ad break. The load related to EV's will gradually increase as ownership increases which will mean that the baseload from 5pm onwards will have to be increased gradually too.


We have the infrastructure to cope with the HTKE, we need the infrastructure to cope with EV's and HTKE at the same time. Yes, we don't need it tomorrow but we do need it and this is not being factored in IMO


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tulip wrote:
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The half time kettle effect is well documented.
http://wordpress.mrreid.org/2010/06/23/ ... uantified/


Yeah but everyone plugging in their EV to charge overnight is not the same as everyone plugging in the kettle during half time. Not everyone in the Country is going to buy an EV tomorrow and start charging them when coronation street has an ad break. The load related to EV's will gradually increase as ownership increases which will mean that the baseload from 5pm onwards will have to be increased gradually too.


If it can do 400/500kms you won't be charging every day.

Some EVs already have it, but eventually all EVs will have smart timers on the chargers, you plug it in when you get home, but configure the charge start at 3/4am, meaning you have a full charge and a warm battery when you leave the house at 7/8am.

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