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 Post subject: Re: France, popular revolt (Yellow Vests) What's going on?
PostPosted: Thu Dec 06, 2018 1:02 am 
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For me, a 300km range would suit almost 100% of my normal driving, only once in the past 3 years have I exceeded 300km in a single journey.

Yeah, careful with those range figures though. As I posted in the Tesla thread....


To be honest, I'm very forgiving of those claims.
20 years ago you couldn't get 10 miles out of such an electric car.
Now you can basically travel anywhere in Ireland on a single charge.
In another 10 or 20 years, you'll be able to travel throughout Europe on a single charge.
The development has been incredibly rapid and continues to evolve.


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 Post subject: Re: France, popular revolt (Yellow Vests) What's going on?
PostPosted: Thu Dec 06, 2018 8:42 am 
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Sure, they're great. You just need to factor in that they only get something like 75% of the WLTP range at motorway speeds.

The Opel Ampera is the daddy for long range (380km WLTP) at affordable price, but unfortunately LHD only.

https://www.thejournal.ie/autobest-ev-t ... 6-Jul2018/

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 Post subject: Re: France, popular revolt (Yellow Vests) What's going on?
PostPosted: Thu Dec 06, 2018 11:07 am 
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mr_anderson wrote:
Now you can basically travel anywhere in Ireland on a single charge.


You would be brave to rely on a Model S to get you from Dublin to the SW or NW coast on a single charge.


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 Post subject: Re: France, popular revolt (Yellow Vests) What's going on?
PostPosted: Thu Dec 06, 2018 11:50 am 
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mr_anderson wrote:
Eschatologist wrote:
dolanbaker wrote:
For me, a 300km range would suit almost 100% of my normal driving, only once in the past 3 years have I exceeded 300km in a single journey.

Yeah, careful with those range figures though. As I posted in the Tesla thread....


To be honest, I'm very forgiving of those claims.
20 years ago you couldn't get 10 miles out of such an electric car.
Now you can basically travel anywhere in Ireland on a single charge.
In another 10 or 20 years, you'll be able to travel throughout Europe on a single charge.
The development has been incredibly rapid and continues to evolve.


As a general rule you should charge your EV beyond 80% or your wrecking the battery. Occasionally charging to full might be fine


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 Post subject: Re: Electric Cars and the latest models.
PostPosted: Thu Dec 06, 2018 4:27 pm 
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That's wrong.
Best practice is 10 to 90% charge range
Some people say 20 to 80%

Avoid keeping the battery charged at 100%
If the car is to be left unused for a long time you should keep it plugged in with the charge at 50%

Avoid depleting the battery completely

Judicious use of fast charging
Fast charging can lead to battery ooverheating
Heat is a battery killer


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 Post subject: Re: France, popular revolt (Yellow Vests) What's going on?
PostPosted: Thu Dec 06, 2018 6:34 pm 
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Eschatologist wrote:
dolanbaker wrote:
For me, a 300km range would suit almost 100% of my normal driving, only once in the past 3 years have I exceeded 300km in a single journey.

Yeah, careful with those range figures though. As I posted in the Tesla thread....

All of those quoted ranges would give me a comfortable amount of headroom wrt to range.
Most of my journeys are in the range of 40km and a small number are 130km each way (to the smoke), so with a charger at the destination.
I would have no issues with any of the current EV's on the market.

Well, apart from the fact that they're all above what I can afford to buy, I'll probably pick one up when they're about 6-8 years old.

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 Post subject: Re: Electric Cars and the latest models.
PostPosted: Thu Dec 06, 2018 7:24 pm 
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Well the service stations are going to do great business if people have enforced hour long stops.

Maybe they'll become shopping centres.

Imagine an actual restaurant rather than a shit deli and fast food joint like we have now.

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 Post subject: Re: Electric Cars and the latest models.
PostPosted: Fri Dec 07, 2018 6:34 am 
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https://seekingalpha.com/article/4225153-evs-oil-ice-impact-2023-beyond

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This article explores the timings and various impacts of EVs on Big Oil, and the ICE automotive industries, including shale oil plays, Ford, GM, Tesla, Rivian and others.

I find that ICE auto sales will drop 50% by 2025. Passenger car sales are down already with SUVs and Pickup sales to follow with Rivian and Tesla entering the space.

EV penetration into the global auto fleet should initiate an oil glut by 2023. Shale oil (high extraction cost) operations should become stressed first.

By 2031, there will be ~1 billion EVs in the global fleet of cars. This timing is 2 decades faster than many analysts are projecting.

Caveats: Dramatically lower oil prices will delay these projections and operational autonomous vehicle control will accelerate them. Some companies will soar, others will collapse




dolanbaker wrote:
Well, apart from the fact that they're all above what I can afford to buy, I'll probably pick one up when they're about 6-8 years old.


This is one of the key points in the article or the video above, there is a big gap between when someone decides they want an EV, and when they put their money down and drive away

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 Post subject: Re: Electric Cars and the latest models.
PostPosted: Mon Feb 04, 2019 11:20 pm 
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Vehicle to grid, still a few years away but definitely on the way

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