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 Post subject: Re: Tánaiste Simon Covney Confirms 500,000 migrants for Irel
PostPosted: Tue Dec 04, 2018 11:41 pm 
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How did Argentina cease to be one of the world’s richest countries? That puzzle was the challenge for Allan M. Taylor, the Mellon Fellow at the Harvard Academy for International and Area Studies and the Department of Economics at Harvard. “More compelling and mysterious examples of failure than the ruination of Argentina are hard to imagine,” Taylor said in a 1992 paper published in the journal of Economic History. He concluded that a key factor for Argentina’s economic disintegration was the continuation of high European immigration to Argentina after the United States, Canada, and Australia began ending their eras of mass immigration early this century.


https://www.numbersusa.com/PDFs/The%20C ... 20Beck.pdf

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a demographic model of national savings demonstrates that the burdens of rapid population growth and substantial immigration depressed Argentine saving, contributing significantly to the demise of the Belle Epoque following the war time collapse of international financial markets

https://www.jstor.org/stable/2123232?se ... b_contents

not saving any money + large population growth/immigration = a long decline to third world status after GFC 2.0


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 Post subject: Re: Tánaiste Simon Covney Confirms 500,000 migrants for Irel
PostPosted: Wed Dec 05, 2018 9:16 am 
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Blindjustice BATONEFFECT wrote:
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How did Argentina cease to be one of the world’s richest countries? That puzzle was the challenge for Allan M. Taylor, the Mellon Fellow at the Harvard Academy for International and Area Studies and the Department of Economics at Harvard. “More compelling and mysterious examples of failure than the ruination of Argentina are hard to imagine,” Taylor said in a 1992 paper published in the journal of Economic History. He concluded that a key factor for Argentina’s economic disintegration was the continuation of high European immigration to Argentina after the United States, Canada, and Australia began ending their eras of mass immigration early this century.


https://www.numbersusa.com/PDFs/The%20C ... 20Beck.pdf

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a demographic model of national savings demonstrates that the burdens of rapid population growth and substantial immigration depressed Argentine saving, contributing significantly to the demise of the Belle Epoque following the war time collapse of international financial markets

https://www.jstor.org/stable/2123232?se ... b_contents

not saving any money + large population growth/immigration = a long decline to third world status after GFC 2.0

Hmmm, sounds like BS to me.
How about - reliance on an agrarian economy at a time when agriculture declined in importance in international trade? Or a military junta that diverted spending to military vanity projects? Or a disastrous nationalism fueled war? Populist giveaway budgets?

Populism and nationalism, IMO, wot done it...

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 Post subject: Re: Tánaiste Simon Covney Confirms 500,000 migrants for Irel
PostPosted: Wed Dec 05, 2018 9:25 am 
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Immigration to a functioning economy increases nominal GDP, so pinning Brazil's post-2011 GDP slump on immigration is....dubious.

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Compact on Refugees

https://refugeesmigrants.un.org/refugees-compact

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Its four key objectives are to:

- Ease the pressures on host countries;

- Enhance refugee self-reliance;

- Expand access to third-country solutions;

- Support conditions in countries of origin for return in safety and dignity.




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“Yesterday in New York, the Global Compact on Refugees was approved with overwhelming support by UN member states through a vote of 176 in favour and one against.
Over the past two years, governments, the UN, and civil society around the world have come together to develop the Global Compact on Refugees. In this unique process, characterised by cooperation and solidarity, NRC believes the Global Compact will enable better protection and expanded solutions for refugees by addressing the growing global displacement crisis.


https://www.nrc.no/news/2018/november/t ... ed-states/


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 Post subject: Re: Tánaiste Simon Covney Confirms 500,000 migrants for Irel
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That the Compacts Deliver

• Broad Endorsement by States. The first step must be for as many governments as
possible to warmly embrace the compacts. Political rhetoric in certain countries that
mischaracterizes the compacts as a threat to national sovereignty must not prevail
over hard-won achievements and progress toward solutions to refugee and migrant
crises around the globe.

• Funding for Implementation. Both compacts include new funding
mechanisms for shoring up major gaps in resources to respond to the needs
of the displaced and build government capacity. For the compacts to work, donor
governments – along with multilateral development banks, diasporas, the private
sector, and philanthropic organizations – must fund their implementation. This
funding must be equitably distributed across compact commitments and crises.

• A Meaningful Role for Refugees and Migrants. Both compacts fall short in
ensuring meaningful refugee, migrant, and host community participation in compact
implementation. Going forward, a key priority must be to develop concrete mechanisms to give refugees and migrants a real voice in formulating solutions.

• Ensure that the Compacts Deliver for Women and Girls. Both compacts lack
specifics on how to address the unique needs of and risks to migrant and refugee
women and girls. Governments must work with women’s rights advocates and other
relevant stakeholders to develop a road map for turning the vague commitments in
the compacts into tangible outcomes.

• Develop and Implement Accountability and Review Measures. Once the
compacts are adopted, developing effective accountability and review
mechanisms must be a priority. Indicators should be formulated in consultation with
relevant stakeholders – rather than simply through intergovernmental negotiations –
including refugees, migrants, civil society, and experts.

• Achieve Complementarity Between the Compacts So No One Is Left Behind.
To coordinate implementation of the compacts, a cross-platform mechanism
should be established. At present, there is no platform to provide a space for national
governments, UN agencies, and other stakeholders to cooperate in ensuring
that the compacts are implemented in a complementary manner that avoids
creating protection gaps


https://reliefweb.int/sites/reliefweb.i ... ief932.pdf

hell bent on giving migrants/refugees a say in our countries while silencing the incumbents


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 Post subject: Re: Tánaiste Simon Covney Confirms 500,000 migrants for Irel
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Immigration to a functioning economy increases nominal GDP, so pinning Brazil's post-2011 GDP slump on immigration is....dubious.


and nominal GDP masks the real economy, real GDP per capita, disposable income per capita etc.
Look at Australia:

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So if that continues and GDP keeps growing what is the result? If it keeps going then eventually the average person ends up in poverty as they reach third world levels. Eventually it all blows up. Anyway its just another way to look at it. Its another, hardly talked about, potential negative consequence.


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 Post subject: Re: Tánaiste Simon Covney Confirms 500,000 migrants for Irel
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https://www.irishtimes.com/news/world/n ... -1.3723972

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Nations to gather at Marrakesh to approve UN migration pact
In face of populist movement surge, UN seeks to project positive view of migrants

Worldwide, the number of migrants has increased to more than 250 million, or just over 4 per cent of the world’s population.


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 Post subject: Re: Tánaiste Simon Covney Confirms 500,000 migrants for Irel
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Argentina has economically underperformed because it does not produce any goods which sell for high prices on global markets.

Even Brazil sells jets.


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